So we have people that are complacent in their beliefs and are inundated with hate from their media feeds. People of the past arent equipped for the disinformation age; its not that surprising. What stands out to me is that the hateful narrative exists, and is so successful at dividing people.
So what do we do? Is there any particular gain by seething over a general population of people? They arent inherently bad… people at large reduce meaning and memeify things so the mental load is lighter. Its a problem on lemmy and its a problem for the majority of people living. They want to care about the right things but they are missing guidance. There used to be a more cohesive narrative that people trusted which is now gone now.
So what do we do? Is there any particular gain by seething over a general population of people? They arent inherently bad… people at large reduce meaning and memeify things so the mental load is lighter. Its a problem on lemmy and its a problem for the majority of people living. They want to care about the right things but they are missing guidance. There used to be a more cohesive narrative that people trusted which is now gone now.
I cut ties with pretty much everyone in my life who was not willing to gender me correctly. That’s not seething, it’s me protecting myself from having to deal with their bullshit. I’m here in a lib online space as a leftist not because I “like” conservatives, but because I dislike when liberals act like conservatives.
It’s really a grand irony to be getting accused of being a republican because I have left-wing critiques of democrats and express disappointment in them.
What does your answer have to do with tee9000’s question?
Americans make it a past time to hate on other Americans, and don’t think this is limited to Left vs. Right. I like meat. Not going to lie – I can be convinced to eat more plants and less meat, but I’ll fight you if you try to take my meat away. For that, I get called vile things by fanatic vegans who can’t seem to accept that I have my own life and make my own choices, despite the fact that I agree with them on a variety of other things, including having a lighter touch on the planet, being responsible stewards of our resources, treating animals with respect and kindness, and of course things like civil rights. Watch this; I expect them to be along shortly to prove my point.
My father and I can’t be further apart on politics. He’s a Goldwater Republican, old-school hard-core conservative that doesn’t like Trump the man, but loves Trump the politician. He runs his big truck on Earth Day just to spite the Environmentalists. Tee9000’s question speaks to my dad’s and my relationship. If I follow your pattern, I cut him out of my life and leave him high and dry. And trust me: there have been times when I wanted to do exactly that. But what would it accomplish? I’d be disowned by my dad, he’d die old and alone (mom died 5 years ago, I’m his only child), and we’d just hate each other. And I’d never have learned that he swapped out all his incandescent bulbs, which he swore the government would have to pry out of his cold, dead hands, for LED lighting, because…*gasp*…environmentalists listened to the criticisms of CFLs and replaced them with something that matched the quality of lighting from his favourite lights.
You can accomplish far more by listening and cooperating than you do by vilifying and hating on people. That’s Tee9000’s point.
Now, I’m not saying that you should put up with people misgendering you. Far from it. Stand up for your rights. But maybe instead of cutting people out of your life, you should make inclusion in your life contingent on respect. “You used masculine pronouns to refer to me despite knowing that I prefer feminine pronouns. Unless and until you respect me, I will not interact with you any more.” works far better than “fuck you, good bye.” It makes it clear on them that they have to respect you, and maybe, just maybe, you’ll actually change a few minds. I think that’s what Tee9000 is trying to say here.
Right. I like meat. Not going to lie – I can be convinced to eat more plants and less meat, but I’ll fight you if you try to take my meat away.
My father and I can’t be further apart on politics. He’s a Goldwater Republican, old-school hard-core conservative that doesn’t like Trump the man, but loves Trump the politician. He runs his big truck on Earth Day just to spite the Environmentalists.
Sounds like you guys have a lot in common behaviorally despite your professed political differences.
Tee9000’s question speaks to my dad’s and my relationship.
Good for you, not very relatable for me, frankly- I get along fine with my dad. The rest of his family has been another story, and I don’t see the issue with simply never interacting with them. Like how is that my job to change their minds? I would rather just live my life happy
“You used masculine pronouns to refer to me despite knowing that I prefer feminine pronouns. Unless and until you respect me, I will not interact with you any more.” works far better than “fuck you, good bye.”
Right. I like meat. Not going to lie – I can be convinced to eat more plants and less meat, but I’ll fight you if you try to take my meat away.
My father and I can’t be further apart on politics. He’s a Goldwater Republican, old-school hard-core conservative that doesn’t like Trump the man, but loves Trump the politician. He runs his big truck on >>Earth Day just to spite the Environmentalists.
Sounds like you guys have a lot in common behaviorally despite your professed political differences.
And you wonder why you get so many downvotes and pushback. You stand in judgement over what somebody else wants to eat. It’s not enough for you to meet half way. If they don’t capitulate 100% to you and subjugate themselves at your feet, you spit bile at them. You automatically assume the worst about other people, hurl invectives at them, and wonder why it is your candidate of choice doesn’t win. Thanks for illustrating that ‘my way or the highway’ isn’t just Republican territory.
Agreed its really annoying when people categorize you based on nearly zero info like the other dumbass who replied to this comment.
I dare say try not protect yourself. Ignore the memers (real life or lemmy users alike), and discuss openly with the non memers who are actually trying to understand the world. Not exactly my business but maybe you are over-politicizing and feeding division.
So we have people that are complacent in their beliefs and are inundated with hate from their media feeds. People of the past arent equipped for the disinformation age; its not that surprising. What stands out to me is that the hateful narrative exists, and is so successful at dividing people.
So what do we do? Is there any particular gain by seething over a general population of people? They arent inherently bad… people at large reduce meaning and memeify things so the mental load is lighter. Its a problem on lemmy and its a problem for the majority of people living. They want to care about the right things but they are missing guidance. There used to be a more cohesive narrative that people trusted which is now gone now.
I cut ties with pretty much everyone in my life who was not willing to gender me correctly. That’s not seething, it’s me protecting myself from having to deal with their bullshit. I’m here in a lib online space as a leftist not because I “like” conservatives, but because I dislike when liberals act like conservatives.
It’s really a grand irony to be getting accused of being a republican because I have left-wing critiques of democrats and express disappointment in them.
What does your answer have to do with tee9000’s question?
Americans make it a past time to hate on other Americans, and don’t think this is limited to Left vs. Right. I like meat. Not going to lie – I can be convinced to eat more plants and less meat, but I’ll fight you if you try to take my meat away. For that, I get called vile things by fanatic vegans who can’t seem to accept that I have my own life and make my own choices, despite the fact that I agree with them on a variety of other things, including having a lighter touch on the planet, being responsible stewards of our resources, treating animals with respect and kindness, and of course things like civil rights. Watch this; I expect them to be along shortly to prove my point.
My father and I can’t be further apart on politics. He’s a Goldwater Republican, old-school hard-core conservative that doesn’t like Trump the man, but loves Trump the politician. He runs his big truck on Earth Day just to spite the Environmentalists. Tee9000’s question speaks to my dad’s and my relationship. If I follow your pattern, I cut him out of my life and leave him high and dry. And trust me: there have been times when I wanted to do exactly that. But what would it accomplish? I’d be disowned by my dad, he’d die old and alone (mom died 5 years ago, I’m his only child), and we’d just hate each other. And I’d never have learned that he swapped out all his incandescent bulbs, which he swore the government would have to pry out of his cold, dead hands, for LED lighting, because…*gasp*…environmentalists listened to the criticisms of CFLs and replaced them with something that matched the quality of lighting from his favourite lights.
You can accomplish far more by listening and cooperating than you do by vilifying and hating on people. That’s Tee9000’s point.
Now, I’m not saying that you should put up with people misgendering you. Far from it. Stand up for your rights. But maybe instead of cutting people out of your life, you should make inclusion in your life contingent on respect. “You used masculine pronouns to refer to me despite knowing that I prefer feminine pronouns. Unless and until you respect me, I will not interact with you any more.” works far better than “fuck you, good bye.” It makes it clear on them that they have to respect you, and maybe, just maybe, you’ll actually change a few minds. I think that’s what Tee9000 is trying to say here.
Sounds like you guys have a lot in common behaviorally despite your professed political differences.
Good for you, not very relatable for me, frankly- I get along fine with my dad. The rest of his family has been another story, and I don’t see the issue with simply never interacting with them. Like how is that my job to change their minds? I would rather just live my life happy
Ghosting works too
And you wonder why you get so many downvotes and pushback. You stand in judgement over what somebody else wants to eat. It’s not enough for you to meet half way. If they don’t capitulate 100% to you and subjugate themselves at your feet, you spit bile at them. You automatically assume the worst about other people, hurl invectives at them, and wonder why it is your candidate of choice doesn’t win. Thanks for illustrating that ‘my way or the highway’ isn’t just Republican territory.
I just said that you and your dad have a lot in common and you say I’m spiting bile? No pleasing you people
You should get a job and do something with your life.
Clearly you have a penchant for spinning marvelous fables. Maybe write some fanfic about politics?
I am gainfully employed ty.
Have you considered not being unbelievably pretentious? your friends and family might hate you less
Agreed its really annoying when people categorize you based on nearly zero info like the other dumbass who replied to this comment.
I dare say try not protect yourself. Ignore the memers (real life or lemmy users alike), and discuss openly with the non memers who are actually trying to understand the world. Not exactly my business but maybe you are over-politicizing and feeding division.
Believe it or not, people don’t get nearly this pissed off at me when I voice my political opinions in person.
I still interact with republicans, but I don’t think they’re any more reachable than democrats