You can make more money with a flop than with a hit!
I get this reference
roughly $100 million to market and distribute.
And yet this is the first time I’m hearing that it’s out
The more I think about the Jonkler 2 the more I realize just how good it was. People say it’s done as a reaction to the first film, that it tries to back away from the type of people who related it to it. If anything, I thought it doubled down on its messaging, only that it actually spelled it out in this movie.
This movie is bleak, one of the most depressing films I’ve seen maybe ever, and it truly had a lasting, saddening effect on me. While the first was entertaining in its escapism, this one is relentless in pushing the idea of pure despair. Over and over again it tries to reminds you there is no virtue to mentall illness, there is no glamour, and there is zero hope for anything better for anyone afflicted with it in this country. It feels like whiplash to people, as if it’s completely disjointed from the first but damn, I think it makes duology a masterpiece.
The saddest thing is that the first had to make like a billion dollars, under the guise of cape shit, for this one to be made.
I recently listened to a review of the film on the Pod Damn America podcast which expressed somewhat similar sentiments.
I was surprised by the generally poor reviews coming out after hearing this review which praised it for portraying a more sober and somber depiction of mental illness than what audiences had expected.
I have yet to see either the original or this sequel, but I’ll admit the more favorable reviews of this sequel make me want to set aside a few hours to give them some attention.
I think both movies are worth it. The second one appears to have less mass appeal, but I thought it was a great movie. I think in time this movie will be rehabilitated by the general public and you’ll have people who are bashing it now saying they always liked it.
I liked the movie a lot.
Yeah it would have worked if they waited another 5 years before trying to beat the horse for nostalgia value. They were impatient.
People saw the first film as a novel concept with a new exciting take on a classic character. People are going to see the sequel as something… not fresh.
Exciting is not a word I would use to describe the Joker movie.
From stairs dancing to shooting talk show hosts, I think a lot of people would disagree with you.
Didn’t even know this movie had been announced until I’d heard it was bombing. I never watched the first one so odds were pretty slim I’d have seen it anyway.
It was actually not bad. It stumbled on the ending but did a lot of things well for the DC universe’s « La La Land. »
Imagine making 20 millions as a director to lose 200
Meh the director already got paid. Producers are taking the monetary hit on this one. Probably won’t be a good sign for the director’s career moving forward though.
I’m sure he’ll survive, somehow.
Yes, the director definitely got his salary, but the money is still going to be lost by the studio
Fuck it, I’d do it for $2 mil.
I just don’t understand. The first was a novelty that did surprisingly well, I had no expectation that this would be anywhere as successful. Who’s making these estimates?
I don’t think a Joker movie is really much of a novelty? Just a superhero film that looks at an origin story for the most popular comic villain of all time.
Compared to most movies… it was weird. I enjoyed my time with it but didn’t care what happened after the credits rolled. I don’t know anyone that was looking forward to this, most didn’t even know about it.
At least the first one had the stairs meme!
