• Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    14 days ago

    I completely disagree that it is a decent metaphor. Unlike coffee, internet data usage is entirely nebulous to mostly everyone outside of the tech sphere. The metaphor serves as a way of misrepresenting a widespread ignorance for a fundamental understanding.

    If we wanted a decent metaphor we’d have to compare data usage to something like health insurance. Well you see, you pay for your rate of coverage at these visits per year but also have to pay your deductible that might or might not be used off routine…

    In the end if we want to simplify internet expense it is this: ISPs charge way more than they need to and search for ways to charge more to maximize profits without improving service.

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      14 days ago

      I think its like any other utility (water or electricity or methane) except that you pay for the generation separately. So imagine that for electricity you pay a service fee to the grid operator to keep your connection capable of a certain amperage, and you separately pay the hydroelectric dam for the power you use.

      ISPs are the grid operator saying, yes you pay for 200 amp service but you’ve already bought enough power this month. Don’t run your AC for the rest of the month.

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      14 days ago

      The problem with health insurance as a metaphor is they have real costs… The insurance company does pay out real money every time you use your policy, and that makes it easy to muddy the issue

      Let’s take the coffee metaphor further. They say “you can drink up to 400ml of coffee, past that we’ll add an extra fee. But don’t worry, no one does that”. Then they refill your coffee without saying a word, they won’t tell you how much you’ve used unless you ask, and they won’t stop refilling it unless you tell them not to

      The reason the coffee metaphor is great is because, while it’s a real thing, it costs them basically nothing. Just like the extra electricity to send your data costs basically nothing

      The cost is the number of coffee pots, the labor, the restaurant - all things that don’t change in cost no matter how much coffee you drink

      Coffee works because the nature of the transaction is the same

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          13 days ago

          Infrastructure costs. Their costs don’t change with how much data you use, they change with how much data they can throughput

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            12 days ago

            That simply isn’t true, the costs are small and arguably negligible but they do have increased costs on more data usage.

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              12 days ago

              Like coffee. It might cost them 1¢ a pot… It might cost them $1200 up front and $60 a month for their coffee makers

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                11 days ago

                Not like coffee. Your average person simply can’t consume coffee beyond the average at any meaningful rate. We both know that internet usage can go from close to nothing to 100TB of data depending on the user.

                Internet isn’t like coffee, it’s not that simple.

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                  11 days ago

                  There are people basically immune to caffeine. There are extreme caffeine addicts. I can drink two pots myself, and I’m extremely sensitive to caffeine

                  The metaphor works because it doesn’t matter how much coffee you drink - it matters how fast you drink it. And that’s a limit set by the business - the size of the cups and how quickly they’re refilled

                  At this point, I feel like you’re not even trying to understand what I’m saying…