• RagingHungryPanda
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    5 hours ago

    Also, this is an account that’s 1 day old with 64 posts on news articles and doesn’t appear to be marked as a bot.

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      4 hours ago

      I would like to point out that while the account is not marked as a bot, it IS marked as a Dot.

    • Dot.@feddit.orgOP
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      5 hours ago

      So… What are you looking for here exactly?

      Also where did you bring that number from, I do not post only in this community?

      • RagingHungryPanda
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        Oh, you’re a person. My bad. I thought with so many posts in such a short time that it was a bot.

        Edit: it’s not a big deal. There’s a setting to mark an account as a bot. So I was more looking for that.

        Edit 2. Here’s where I got the number from

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          No problem brother.

          I just want to contribute here, as Lemmy does not seem active.

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    The Chinese government has been acting to restrict travel outside the country by ordering some teachers, civil servants and executives of state-owned enterprises to hand in their passports.

    …and…

    Hong said the CCP is also worried that as people’s confidence in the economy slows, they will become less loyal to Xi’s regime and China’s system, and that personnel and capital will flee the country.

    Won’t this action by the CCP actually accelerate the rate at which people leave? If they currently have a passport and are seeing people they know get their passports seized, those still with passports might choose to leave now while they still can even if they hadn’t considered it before.

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      Because of the language barrier, people typically needs years of preparation to leave the country. Imagine finding a H1B job with zero connection in the U.S. and subpar English, that is literally impossible.

      Even said person are willing to pay the high tuition fee in U.S. or Europe, it would take a Chinese at least a year of intense language learning to achieve reasonable fluency in a language, that is acceptable in universities.

      Not to mention, leaving China also means leaving everything they know behind, friends, family, way of life, and especially money, like the other post suggests.

      In fact, confiscating public workers’ passport has been practiced for at least a decade; partly for control, partly for security. And that did not spark mass exodus, slightly expanding the program likely will not change much as well.

      Finally, most people in China choose public work for job security, hence they are usually averse to change. These crowds are the least likely to react to policies like this.

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        Because of the language barrier, people typically needs years of preparation to leave the country.

        English is being taught as early as Kindergarten in China. source

        “English is a required subject in China, and most students are taught their first lesson in the third grade, while others even start during kindergarten. Most reputable jobs ask for proof of English proficiency. A college English test certificate is acceptable.”

        So I would imagine most folks considering this aren’t starting from zero with English skills.

        Imagine finding a H1B job with zero connection in the U.S. and subpar English, that is literally impossible.

        While the USA is a place many aspire to emigrate to, its not nearly the only country in the world. Here’s a slightly older statistic:

        “This statistic shows the number of immigrants from China into Canada from 2007 to 2017. In 2017, Canada received approximately 30 thousand immigrants from China, over 3,000 people more than in the previous year.”

        source

        Not to mention, leaving China also means leaving everything they know behind, friends, family, way of life, and especially money, like the other post suggests.

        Besides the money point, this is true of any emigration, yet millions do it from countries around the world. I’m in the USA, but if I saw the United States government revoking passports of its citizens arbitrarily I’d start considering emigrating myself. So far the only reason (besides actual crimes) is revocation for large sums of unpaid taxes, and even that list of people is pretty small.

        In fact, confiscating public workers’ passport has been practiced for at least a decade; partly for control, partly for security. And that did not spark mass exodus, slightly expanding the program likely will not change much as well.

        Citation needed. Are you saying the CCP has been revoking passports at this new scale and against the same targets for the same reasons for at least a decade?

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      You’d think, but maybe not. One thing that China does is it’s really strict on not letting people bring money out of the country. I have friends that have money back home that they can’t get out of the country.

      The main reason for that is that when the gov’t opens that up, billions start flowing out of the country really fast. So, if you leave, you’re leaving your money behind.

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        You’re referring to capital controls, and yes, China has strict controls on how much money you can move out of the country. I’m referring to people themselves. If you have a valid passport right now, you can still get yourself out legally. Most of your money may have to stay behind, but that could be worth it for many situations.

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          The problem is: People know if they leave, their money will probably be taken.

          They’re gambling with their lives, but that’s a fair gamble for the stakes.

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            The problem is: People know if they leave, their money will probably be taken.

            The old adage applies: “Your money or your life”

            Depending on what they think their future holds, leaving all their money behind may be a very very small price to pay.

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              I disagree, their parents went through so much worse and they saw China rise, the belief is if they can stick through just a little they might find a new opportunity, or maybe things will just work out.

              Also they don’t think things are magically better elsewhere, so maybe it’s just that.

              For us the price might not make sense, but I understand if it does to them at least.

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                I disagree

                I’m not sure what you say you’re disagreeing with.

                I’m saying a portion of the population with still valid passports may choose to leave because of these new restrictions. Are you disagreeing and saying “not a single person with a valid passport will choose to leave China forever”?

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                  Fine, I’m suggesting most people would choose their money over their lives right now, though that might change over time.