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No political system is perfect. Ever.
They require constant vigilance. They require battling. Human greed is capable of corrupting every system that a human mind can create.
Anyone that tells you they have a perfect political system that would never need fixing is a liar, an idiot, or both.
“Revolution only ever results in a change of masters”
“One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.”
Ok, why not create a human system that’s not succeptible to greed by introducing usufruct property relations?
Anyone who tells you that thinks they’d profit from that new system.
Either way, change is needed. And electing a fascist is going to make change more difficult.
Would you rather push a boulder up a hill… or up a sheer cliff face while stormtroopers at the top are shooting at you and rounding up everyone who could help and putting them in camps?
Exactly. Thank you.
Idk, “after Hitler, our turn” worked out good for those people last century
You mean it worked out for the people he didn’t eradicate
This was sarcasm. It in fact was not them after Hitler because he was a dictator who killed them. The idea that we should sit out this election to punish Dems is fucking idiotic because fascist authoritarians tend to clean house of people they dislike.
Kamala is a fascist currently committing genocide.
Trump is also fascist.
The system is working exactly as intended and must be destroyed.
Trump wants to get rid of your ability to choose. Kamala doesn’t.
Trump wants them to ramp up the collateral damage. He WILL make it worse. Kamala wants a ceasefire.
If you want the system to change, vote for Kamala and then convince people it needs to change.
That puts you in the top image of the meme saying “the system is broken and must be fixed”
But I’ve been here before which is why I’m in the bottom image.
There is no “vote for lesser evil then work from the inside to make change” All that leads to is an even worse lesser evil next time around
Yes, didn’t you know? Truths about life and the world are perfectly reducible to 2 panel memes. That is why 14 year olds are notoriously wise.
There is no “vote for lesser evil then work from the inside to make change” All that leads to is an even worse lesser evil next time around
That’s literally what happens when you break the system. You think it’s going to get better when Trump has no restrictions? Or when the next Republican is actually malevolent instead of just petty and opportunistic?
trump has restrictions?
Fewer every day.
Yep the current capitalist world order benefits infinite extracting moneyed interests by mass exploitation and it must be completely destroyed.
I prefer the term “technofeudalism”
There is no perfect system, every system needs to be fought over, lest it gets overtaken by those working against you. Destroying the current system also destroys every benefit you already fought for.
Getting rid of monarchy famously destroyed all the benefits that enlightenment brought the people. /s
Yeah, and as we all know it goes very smoothly with no long running issues. France in the early 1790s was a great place for all, if memory serves.
So… are you pro or anti monarchy…? O.o
Anti-monarch, but anti-accellerationist too. I’m sure you can see what part I was responding to.
Destroying systems isn’t necessarily accelerationist.
“Destroying” has a pretty obvious connotation.
The connotationof fundamental critique? That the system is beyond reform? I’m not sure what you mean, so it can’t be that obvious.
Maybe not a necessity, but it’s there much more often than not.
Everyone talks about destroying the system, but not nearly as much about the systems that are to be built in its place or how to transition between them without mass violence that is wanted and encouraged by accelerationists to take down the system. Sure, community self defence networks help, but you’re still at the mercy of whatever shithead takes the reigns in the inevitable power vacuum. Especially if you can’t make/keep a large enough coalition to keep everything from falling apart into everyone’s personal fiefdom.
How are people supposed to solve these issues if they don’t feel like the current system is beyond reform? Defending the status quo will bring us nowhere.
Most monarchies didn’t get ‘destroyed’ and most peasants living under monarchies didn’t have much to lose to begin with. The world is much more interconnected now.
… just because the world is more interconnected doesn’t state anything about how much the people have to lose. Inequality in income is ridiculously high rn.
There are no winners, only survivors.
This laptop is bad. I should destroy it. This will give me a better laptop.
If the laptop’s is orking as intended by actively harming you: Yes, you should destroy it.
The laptop is forcing us to work in meaningless jobs which destroy our natural environment under threat of homelessness, imprisonment and starvation if we do not comply.
Yes let’s destroy the fucking laptop.
Reject technology. Return to monke.
Troll
Yeah, it’s not late stage capitalism, it’s peak capitalism.
I’ve come back around to the thought that even by the metric of working as intended, the system is broken
Yeah, but if you want to destroy the system you need to have the military on your side, and they won’t be, which means you’ll need to actually defeat them, which isn’t likely, unless you take a lot of bases… with an already existing trained force… all at exactly the same time… with a huge force… of loyal, extremely secretive, organized, huge, military…
Look, maybe if you’re A LOT more politically involved. Like running for office involved and you really work those wheels of progress things can gradually be improved. Seems less fantastical.
Capitalism will never be destroyed. Too many settlers would rather be in the middle class than stop it.
Damn ozma, hittin’ hard.
Any solution that starts with purges is bad.
Purges?
When we taking (this) system?
You talking about the ruling class (defined by its ownership of all things)?
(Either way a purge would be just taking away things they shouldn’t own anyway)I don’t think purging by political affiliation would directly change modern western systems, so dismantling such system isn’t by color, it’s ruling class vs everyone & everything else.
I’m thinking more about the plurality of Americans that aren’t on board, for whatever stupid reason. Until they are convinced, destroying the system won’t really stick, if it’s even possible.
What does that have to do with “starting with purges”?
Wouldn’t stick, but it would still take a century to get as bad is it currently is.
Maybe, unless the replacement is immediately worse based on who seizes control. It’s the devil you know vs the one you don’t.
It’s harder to build something than to destroy it. I’d you destroy a system with nothing to replace it, the rich and powerful will swoop into the power vacuum and gobble up more.
Like what happened in every capitalist crisis in the last 70 years? O.o
This is very true. It has happened so many times.
It was me. I was the destroyed system. /s
One example of the top of my head: the collapse of the USSR.
Another example off the top of my head: the creation of the USSR.
yep, violent revolution rarely ends with better conditions for the people
Apart from you very ignorant take:
Who do you think makes revolutions turn violent? The revolutionaries, or the people trying to stop them?
Careful, you’re going to make a lot of the dotworld liberals very upset with this one.
Welp
As long as you can vote, the system can be fixed. If you don’t vote the system may get to a point where it can’t be fixed.
If you want that outcome go watch the movie Civil War. You’re likely to be one of the people in that refugee camp, or maybe in a mass grave because you’re the “wrong kind of American”. That’s the kind of shit that happens when the system is destroyed.
As long as you can vote, the system can be fixed. If you don’t vote the system may get to a point where it can’t be fixed.
Read the bottom text again.
go watch the movie Civil War.
I want my 2 hours back.
People that romanticize civil wars and revolutions often hate that movie. But that’s exactly the kind of person it was made for. Radical politics don’t accomplish all that much other than getting a lot of people killed.
Um, excuse me, this is a circle jerk. Get out of here with your facts.
Where do you see a circlejerk? Everyone is dunking on the post.
