I’ve been spending time on the instance and notice it is contains some extreme right wing American fascist propaganda, what is the communities’ thoughts on this?
I thought it was general purpose and like sessionjams but the weird NonCredibleDefense (whatever the fuck that is), racist “white people” twitter and “meanwhileongrad” appears to be a drama community is sus as hell. What do?
Edit: I haven’t made a decision and will not unilaterally make one. I am assuming discussion in good faith. If you are not vegan do not add your comments or vote.
Literally no one here is supporting Russia, the Russian government or the invasion of Ukraine. This is fully out of scope for this instance and discussion. Russia is a right wing fascist state that is the moral equivalent of the United States and China. I was assuming discussion in good faith but lemmy users can’t help but to target each other and drive harassment campaigns through their harassment communities like tankiejerk, meanwhileongrad, fediverselore and similar. Look, I don’t agree with a lot of the content they highlight, but I am not interested in silencing them or drawing attention to manipulate their votes or communities and want the same for vegans which are routinely silenced. These communities only serve to silence opposing viewpoints. Please note that this vegan instance doesn’t host any “vegan circlejerk” style content or allow pictures of carnists to drive teasing or harassment of them either.
We are anti-war here and I stand with the working people of the world no matter what country they are in. Both the people of Russia and the people of Ukraine are victims of their governments who are using them as pawns to enrich themselves. War is a profit generation scheme by capitalists to punish working people and extract profit through their lives. Supporting military defense contractors and governments is part of this consent manufacturing that sh.itjust.works allows. Do I think the admins of sh.itjust.works are bad people? No, but I do believe they are allowing American consent manufacturers to run rampant on their instance and I wanted some feedback.
I’m going to close this thread now and believe it or not I am not in favor of defederation after this conversation. I am disheartened and deeply saddend on how it went though. Due to interference I do not believe that I can meaningfully gauge this community.
I’m against defederation. As we must be open to more perspectives. I don’t want this server to only be open to tankies who want Donald Trump to win which will spell more doom for Palestine and Ukraine.
When browsing comms from the “tankie” instances only a handful of times have I seen people express a sincere interest in voting for Trump, and everytime they received pushback.
Active participation in genocide is a red line most on the left are unwilling to cross. Refusal to vote for a party performing a genocide is not advocating for Trump.
I do not understand why people are coming into a discussion on the spread of pro-US propaganda on an anarchist, anti-imperialist space to discuss “tankies” as if it has any relevance to the topic.
Because there’s a spectre haunting Lemmy. (Don’t laugh!)
Tankies are likely being discussed because “meanwhileongrad” was mentioned in the post.
To be honest I didn’t read through much of it other than it is screenshots of other users. I really do not approve of drama communities like this, think they are extremely toxic and exist to drive harassment of people.
I make no opinion on it, just connecting dots
Who cares who wins the American election? Both parties in the United States are fascists who will spell doom for Palestine. The United States is fascist country, all of its politicians are pure evil and their elections are fake.
What even is a tankie? Does anyone have a definition of this?
Edit: To be clear I don’t want Donald Trump to “win” but that is like saying I don’t want Triple H to win Wrestlemania, it is pre-scripted nonsense. Both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris should be in prison.
Tankie is anyone left wing or generally non-liberal, if you disagree with genocide you’re a tankie and a russian bot (some libs genuinely think this)
It honestly sounds thought terminating
Democratic socialists are non-tankie leftists.
I’m against Stalin, Putin, Netanyahu and Trump.
What about Anarcho-Syndicalists? Ive been called a tankie for being against western imperalism. Whats your line for what is a tankie? Are Marxists tankies? What about Marxist-Leninists? How about Libertarian Syndicalists?
Donald Trump’s support for Israel is far more than that of Kamala Harris’. That’s the issue with first-past-the-post in that people have to choose a lesser evil in the election and the citizen’s united ruling has allowed super PACS such as AIPAC to spend millions in support of zionist candidates.
The Nation - Sophia Rosenfeld - Popular Rule Has the United States ever been a democracy?
Ursula Wolfe-Rocca - The United States Is Not a Democracy. Stop Telling Students That It Is./Zinn Education Project
David Dayen - The American Prospect - America is Not a Democracy
Daniel Lazare - The Frozen Republic : How the Constitution Is Paralyzing Democracy - This is an extremely influential book for me and was a big reason for immigration.
Howard Zinn - A People’s History of the United States Libcom PDF link
Settlers: The Mythology of the White Proletariat
I very strongly disagree with your take here. There is no lesser evil in the United States. Kamala is not less evil than Donald Trump, she and her policies will be exactly equivalent to his. The President of the USA is not a king and their permanent state is continuous. The people in the US have no choice, their elections are fake.
Supporting politicians is already against the rules of this instance.
This is a seriously myopic and incredibly one dimensional view. Granted both parties in the USA are Conservative.
But I think only one party is actually trying to roll back pretty much all social progress. The gays, the blacks, etc all dead or enslaved. Women, you too.
Oh and I hope you really like Christianity.
Fuck off with your accusations. Are you vegan or a member of this community?
I am not American.
What have I accused you of specifically?
You don’t agree with what I think so you are calling me disabled, this is an accusation and not welcome. You are implying that I am deficient in my views and they are not valid. I didn’t denigrate your liberal viewpoints as disabled or one dimensional. I think your view is straight up bullshit that one party wants to roll away rights and the other doesn’t. Both parties function to maintain the system and each other and are not meaningfully different, especially from the outside. To be clear, I don’t think the Americans really have a choice and are victims of this system as well.
The democrats are the ones who chose Trump in their pied piper strategy after all. They also fund extreme right wing candidates there because this is how they manufacture consent for their ever rightward shift. In Obama’s own words he has the policies Reagan Republican.
Are you vegan? This is a vegan community for vegans. I am looking for my communities feed back, not some random carnist’s opinion.