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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3752956
Fascism is here.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/22/trump-mass-deportation-immigrant-camps
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3752956
Fascism is here.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/22/trump-mass-deportation-immigrant-camps
Putting them into camps would be a human rights violation but it’s not exactly a ridiculous notion to say that illegal aliens should be deported. This whole game of calling them immigrants is bullshit. Immigrants have visas and permanent residency cards, illegal aliens have no permission to be in the US at all. You don’t just wantonly get to walk into a country without permission and then act like you have a right to be there. Sovereign states have a right to decide under their laws who is allowed in their territory.
The best actual solution would be to start charging their home countries for deportation and have a check in, check out system for temporary visas where you check in to get the visa at a US embassy or consulate in your home country and once the visa is expired you have a certain number of days to check out at the same embassy or consulate in your home country or a warrant for your arrest is immediately issued in the US to have you deported, again at your government’s expense.
But why? Why can’t we just register them at the border?
For the same reason that if you walk into a McDonald’s and there’s a line, you can’t just walk directly up to the register and start ordering.
There is no limited resource to line up for. We’re not making a Big Mac, we’re processing people into the country. And we’re nowhere near capacity on that.
And this is according to who exactly?
Comments like this make it clear that quite a few people don’t actually understand America, how it was founded, or why it has been so successful in the past. Immigration is GOOD. All these “illegals” you want to ship away are GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY.
My issue isn’t with the people it’s with the fact that they break the law to enter this country. If you want them to be able to come over then follow the democratic process and change the law instead of encouraging breaking it.
And since you want to be all patronizing my parents and grandparents immigrated to this country and had to go through a long process to do so. Those processes aren’t just there for no reason. Part of the process involves getting medical exams done to ensure people aren’t bringing over diseases, which I would think any sane person would support, there are also checks to ensure that said person doesn’t have any criminal history and so on. Skip all of that and you have no fucking clue what kinds of people you’re letting in.
And that’s before we consider how big of a slap in the face it is to people who did follow all the rules and are waiting to get in legally while you want to allow those who break the law to get in to stay without any consequences.
You say that these people are good for the country and provide value and I don’t disagree that they can be however we need to have an orderly system for processing people to get work visas, green cards, and citizenship and we do. My issue is that we shouldn’t let those who decide they can just circumvent the system because they don’t like it to get away with it unpunished and frankly neither should the predatory employers that knowingly employ them.
If you really think we need more people to come in and work then call your congressman and get them to raise the quota for temporary work visas so these people can be screened, come in, work legally and with all employment protections offered under US law, pay taxes, and go home.
Laws are not just merely because someone made them laws.
If we let people show up, get registered, and live here then all of the people on the waiting list can just … show up.
idk about you, a massive chunk of corporate employees are immigrants and only came here cus they were either suckered into being here and trafficked, or trynna get away from cartels or war. if we deported all of them at once, the nation would quite literally, blow up.
Anything is possible if you just make things up. There are very few illegal aliens working corporate white collar jobs. Most of those do a background check which they wouldn’t pass.
Say goodbye getting your roofs fixed, or your house cleaned, or your lawn mowed, or your house painted, or your
dude they fucking do 90% of all the dirty work in this country, Lets maybe NOT deport what is the backbone of this country and instead get them some rights so corporations can stop being sleezy pieces of shit and underpaying people.
You have this logic reversed. They do the work because they undercut domestic labor by accepting lower wages in cash.
In your best actual solution, how do refugees apply for asylum?
They don’t of course because we’ll never admit that Mexico is in a long running civil war with its cartels.
In the first safe country they arrive at like they’re supposed to under international law. If their claim is denied, then they need to accept deportation.
There’s nothing fascist about that. It’s the international convention for how these things are handled. Refugees don’t get to pick and choose where they are given refuge.
This reminds me of the south Americans coming up in one of the caravans who were given free food and shelter by the Mexican government and they complained that they didn’t like the food and threw it away. And those people wanted to keep going up to the US. That’s not fair in any sense and anyone who’s being that picky about where they’re given asylum and what food they’re given using tax money from a host country isn’t a legitimate refugee.
Ok, I’m going to level with you: that sounds like 100% bullshit rage bait - did you hear it on AM radio in flyover country? Do you have any source of this tale at all?
Good luck making this argument on lemmy. 🤡 You are not alone in your thinking though.
Yep this is a classic Reddit moment on fediverse Reddit.