How many dead Palestinian kids will it take for you to change your vote?

  • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netOP
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    23 hours ago

    You have an opportunity to turn this moment into an organizing conversation with the libs in your life. I had one in this very thread.

    Also I don’t agree that votes are useless. If you’re outside a swing state every lib in your life should vote Green or PSL to show they don’t support genocide. If you’re in MI, NV, PA, or other swing states those libs should vote Green or PSL to punish Democrats for literally arming a genocide. It’s a good outcome for us if Trump wins one of these states by less votes than Stein + PSL combined get. Force the Dems to have to move left for once!

    • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netM
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      If you’re outside a swing state every lib in your life should vote Green or PSL to show they don’t support genocide. If you’re in MI, NV, PA, or other swing states those libs should vote Green or PSL to punish Democrats for literally arming a genocide

      I disagree. You should vote PSL ESPECIALLY if you are in a swing state.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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      It’s a good outcome for us if Trump wins one of these states by less votes than Stein + PSL combined get. Force the Dems to have to move left for once!

      That’s not really going to happen, or else it would have after 2000 or 2016. Instead there was a pivot to an even more conservative Dem candidate.

      They will not take us seriously for anything short of a mobilized mass movement, at least 100k people in the streets of major cities.

        • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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          I’ll walk 10 minutes to my polling site to leverage about 12 bytes’ worth of political speech, but I’m not going to harbor any delusions that voting is a pathway to anything at all. A number on a paper about an opinion is just that, nothing more. It does not automatically convert into anything; it must be manually converted with force or threat of force.

          • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netOP
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            18 hours ago

            Sure. I want to see a big number for Jill and Claudia because that number can lead to more people becoming comfortable leaving the two-party system. We need to grow as a movement and that means getting a lot of Libs deprogrammed.

            Also I’m assuming most people here are voting in local elections or ballot measures. Your vote for School Board is more impactful than your vote for President. Why not give PSL a vote while you’re there?

            • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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              17 hours ago

              that number can lead to more people becoming comfortable leaving the two-party system.

              I vote third party for that reason. I started voting third party with that expectation multiple elections ago, but I no longer have any delusion that people are going to follow the way I think just because I put it concretely.

              I’m already planning on doing as you suggest, but without any belief in the consequentiality of it. Ultimately, my state will be won by a margin of 500k+ votes, and my vote for the PSL will mostly just make me feel good, and be able to say i-voted for PSL .

              As someone who voted third party in the 2016 election and watched absolutely nothing change and nothing was even learned, I’m telling you to put your hope in more productive places.

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            There’s always a chance that it’ll be interpreted as greens and psl taking votes off republicans. Then the Dems don’t even have to pretend that anyone is trying to pull them left. It’s never too late for horseshoe throwing time.