Disclaimer since based on my last comment i know the accusation is coming: i voted for claudia already. I think socialists should vote for Claudia if shes available.
I just also think voting is not the ultimate expression of politics and doesnt mean that much. The “its an endorsement” thing is true, but one extra endorsement does not equal one extra dead Palestinian. Thats just magical thinking. (Also, ive tried telling people the endorsement thing because its what changed my mind about lesser evilism, it doesnt work.)
And the idea that every Kamala voter is horrific evil when many are scared, propagandized, gaslit marginalized people doing what they think they need to do to not die is misguided. You guys claim to be the ultimate propaganda understanders but dont seem to understand its power. Are people still responsible for their actions? Sure. Does a vote of all things matter as an action all that much? Lmao fuck no. Its basically pointless.
Like ive actually talked to liberals about their vote. I didnt even have to touch grass to it! Where their coming from is wrong and ive told them that, but ive seen the effect the lesser evilism propaganda has on their mind. they are not coming from a place of evil with their choice Hating, “not forgiving”, or throwing in the pit (as ive seriosly seen suggested) the 10s of millions of people who will vote Kamala in November is simply not practical. You cant hate humanity to that extent and organize. And you definitly cant desire to kill that many people lmao.
Also, most of you are ex liberals. Meaning most of you have endorsed war crimes with a vote. Probably worth keeping in mind.
I don’t hate humanity, I hate people who want to officially cosign a modern Holocaust.
Legitimate question, would you feel this way if someone told you they hated German Nazis who lived in and supported Germany during and in the lead up to WW2?
Because the moral calculus is identical.
We’re talking about people who support the modern equivalent of Hitler.
There’s your problem. Marxists are not moralists. Westerners are all already complicit and voting is meaningless. What matters is doing whatever is practical to actually support Palestine.
Being kind to tryptamine was not going to help any Palestinians.
I don’t think condemning people for being bad but not treating them as intentionally evil = being nice. You can still call someone a convienient rube spreading rhetoric to justify genocide and if they don’t pause from that I think going fully off at them is entirely justified
Sorry is “intentionally evil” something we care about or not? Seems like intention and good vs evil are valid or invalid modes of thought depending on what’s currently most useful for the “kid gloves for modern Nazis” crowd in here.
I’m going to restate my top level comment: you should be using the same standard for these people as pro Nazi Germans during the Third Reich.
People like tryptamine are fully aware that Harris is complicit in the modern Holocaust, know that they’re cosigning her actions and find a way to justify that to themselves.
On Hexbear of all places, I’m not going to let that stand without telling them to die.
yeah so going fully off at them is entirely justified
Mea culpa: I misread your comment as saying it wasn’t justified.
Sorry for the unwarranted tone, I get heated easily regarding this topic.
Totally valid, sorry for continuing the conversation probably longer than it needed to be