I don’t think either of those are very good arguments. The first guy’s argument doesn’t really mean anything, but the second guy just makes it sound more reasonable. If the vast majority of the universe is inhospitable, doesn’t that make it more miraculous and unexplainable that earth is?
The observable universe is insanely huge, and we don’t know how much bigger it is beyond what we can interact with, indeed it might even be infinite. Even if the chance is literally astronomically small, odds are it’ll happen somewhere, and if the universe turns out to be actually infinite, then as long as it’s physically possible at all, it will happen. Combine this with the anthropic principle: wherever intelligent life does arise, no matter how sparse or rare it is, that life will be able to ask “why here, when it seems so unlikely?”
Yeah I don’t disagree with that although assuming that the universe isn’t infinite, my point still stands. I don’t think something being extremely rare automatically proves outside intervention somehow, I’m saying that pointing out just how rare it is, isn’t a good counter argument to that.
I would describe something that rare as miraculous. I’m not saying it’s literally impossible without some outside force influencing it, it just doesn’t help your argument to point out how unlikely life is.
I very clearly said that I thought the original point by the creationist didn’t make sense, so I’m not sure why you immediately assumed I’m making that argument.
You can call it whatever you want but it’s just random chance.
We just so happened to be on a planet that was the right distance from the sun, that is made up of exactly the elements necessary, and went through all the exact environmental changes to support our version of life.
In an infinite universe with a set amount of elements that can only mix in a set amount of ways you are guaranteed to eventually get every single possible combination.
Life is just an inevitability. Like repeating numbers in RNG. It’s just luck. Blind happenstance.
I would describe something that rare as miraculous.
Then you have a different definition of “miracle” than most.
it just doesn’t help your argument to point out how unlikely life is.
And what exactly do you think my argument is?
I very clearly said that I thought the original point by the creationist didn’t make sense, so I’m not sure why you immediately assumed I’m making that argument.
I’m not sure why you assume that I assume that. I said no such thing.
I don’t think either of those are very good arguments. The first guy’s argument doesn’t really mean anything, but the second guy just makes it sound more reasonable. If the vast majority of the universe is inhospitable, doesn’t that make it more miraculous and unexplainable that earth is?
The observable universe is insanely huge, and we don’t know how much bigger it is beyond what we can interact with, indeed it might even be infinite. Even if the chance is literally astronomically small, odds are it’ll happen somewhere, and if the universe turns out to be actually infinite, then as long as it’s physically possible at all, it will happen. Combine this with the anthropic principle: wherever intelligent life does arise, no matter how sparse or rare it is, that life will be able to ask “why here, when it seems so unlikely?”
Yeah I don’t disagree with that although assuming that the universe isn’t infinite, my point still stands. I don’t think something being extremely rare automatically proves outside intervention somehow, I’m saying that pointing out just how rare it is, isn’t a good counter argument to that.
No, because the Earth being habitable doesn’t violate any laws of physics. It’s just rare.
I would describe something that rare as miraculous. I’m not saying it’s literally impossible without some outside force influencing it, it just doesn’t help your argument to point out how unlikely life is.
I very clearly said that I thought the original point by the creationist didn’t make sense, so I’m not sure why you immediately assumed I’m making that argument.
You can call it whatever you want but it’s just random chance.
We just so happened to be on a planet that was the right distance from the sun, that is made up of exactly the elements necessary, and went through all the exact environmental changes to support our version of life.
In an infinite universe with a set amount of elements that can only mix in a set amount of ways you are guaranteed to eventually get every single possible combination.
Life is just an inevitability. Like repeating numbers in RNG. It’s just luck. Blind happenstance.
Then you have a different definition of “miracle” than most.
And what exactly do you think my argument is?
I’m not sure why you assume that I assume that. I said no such thing.
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