It’s not the voter’s fault. Candidates should earn votes not expect them. The Dems chose a shit candidate and lost as a result. They’ll learn nothing from this and probably move further right.
It abso-fucking-lutely is the voters fault as well as the party’s. They knew the options and chose the worst possible one. Get the fuck out of here with that whitewashing bullshit. Even when you have a shit choice, you’re still making the choice, and it’s on you too.
They’ll learn nothing from this
That goes for the voters just as much. Next time we’re staring down a fascist and a shitty dem, we’ll pick the fascist because the Dems has to have a spotless record or we’ll piss away any progress we have in a temper tantrum.
It is the candidate’s job to entice voters. Kamala and the dnc failed. There should be a purge of leadership but they’ll probably just do it all again in 2028. The lesser-Evil argument has never been a good one. Vote shaming has never been a successful tactic either but please feel free to continue lol
Whatever helps you sleep at night with the choices you made friend.
I’m not here to shame anyone. You knew what was at stake when you pulled the lever, I hope you’re happy with the outcome. I’m just not going to let people abdicate the responsibility they’re trying to shirk for the choices they made.
But you’ll be happy to note that I won’t be interacting with you again, because I’ve got no time for cowards who shift blame for consequences of decisions they’ve made.
I was looking at those numbers too. And if you compare Trump’s 24 numbers to 2020, he lost about 4M votes this time. So it’s not like the 20M from Biden voted for Trump this time, they just didn’t vote.
20 million people are going to be the reason for the death of Democracy.
This is implying there is anything - any possible combination of words in the history of linguistics - that could ever convince them not to vote for Trump.
I’ve seen them have their reasoning destroyed in debate, even using gentle wording, even pointing to Trump’s own words. They don’t change as a result.
The inability to change, mental laziness and intellectual poverty don’t absolve his voters of blame. They are adults and should be treated as such, thus anything else but holding them accountable for their actions is nothing but moral laziness on our part. The people voting for the candidate of “the party of personal responsibility” (what a cruel joke that is) need to take responsibility for their action.
We need to be thrice as angry with the red hatters as with the non-voters.
I know it feels worse to be betrayed by people who voted Biden not that long ago, mostly because we expect them to do better, while we have absolutely no expectations of anything positive from the Trump voters. But who is the bigger problem here? The people who ride the bus no matter where it’s going or the people with their foot on the gas, accelerating towards the cliff?
completely alienating [non-voters] now will not help the cause
So we just keep being nice to the braindead traitors who can’t be arsed to get up off the couch and vote so we all don’t live in Nazi World? Because they just haven’t heard the right argument yet, or they just need a wee bit more cajoling, maybe a cookie next time.
idc if it’s existential malaise over the world burning up, or just that they get enough civic participation from their social media Feed. idc about their endless reasons for not showing up (I’ve heard them all up here in Ontario where less than 1/2 the eligible voters turned up, and they’re all nonsense about how it’s someone else’s fault. They feel no shame about it: they’ve been thoroughly convinced that they’re too good/smart to vote).
You keep on with not alienating the braindead lumps. You’ll find them endlessly commentating online, blaming The Woman for Doing It Wrong. Because Kamala didn’t personally bring them tendies they decided their country should be governed AGAIN by a White Supremacist Rapist Incontinent Felon who’s owned by frothy fundies who want to burn the witch.
Every abstaining vote was a vote for Trump. They just wanted to be able to say Wasn’t Me.
Morally: Yes, you are absolutely right. Non-voters share part of the blame of electing Donald Trump, they share a part of the moral responsibility and should absolutely be held accountable. Everyone who says “Wasn’t me”, needs to be told that they are part of the problem.
Strategically though it’s important that I did not say that they should not be alienated at all, but that I said they should not be completely alienated. Just ask yourself two simple questions:
Can we (a broader left and left-leaning coalition) win future elections without them?
If we completely alienate them, if we treat them as enemies, will they vote how we need them to, or will they dig in and maybe even turn into the enemies we would prefer them not to be?
Great job electing the person to office who’se the best bet for ensuring it goes from attempted genocide to complete extermination. Pat your back for upholding your morales.
Dude. I actually voted for Kamala. But for God sake just use some empathy for middle eastern community. If I was in their shoes I’d either not vote at all or voted third party. It was a stupid stupid move to put out the message “oh yes we supported the genocide, but look at the other good things we are doing.” Honestly that would piss me off even more.
Vote for the imperfect candidate who has at least been pushing peace deals and not leaving options off the table to achieve that.
Vote for the candidate who has promised unfaltering support for the aggressor and already proven time and time again they don’t care if non-white people die.
Vote third party, or don’t vote at all, ensuring candidate 2’s unthinking base would go uncontested and lead to outcome #2 anyways.
There is no fourth option, and there is no option aside from #1 that had a chance of success in terms of ending the genocide and seeing to the needs of the survivors.
So if there is anyone who really did choose not to vote because the current administration’s policy on Palestine/Gaza and treatment of those people, congratulations on going from anger at someone standing by and not stopping a genocide to 100% ensuring the next person will enable it to completion.
So again, congratulations on that morale victory, hope they don’t pat themselves too hard on the back while standing next to the bodies.
No empathy on your side. Clearly you haven’t been in their position. It’s like asking Jews in Nazi Germany to vote for Hitler because the other candidate is somehow worse. Except Hitler already proved himself bad for them and burned their family. They might not vote for the other candidate, but why would the support Hitler?
I have empathy for them, I have to ask if they have empathy at all. Trump issued a Muslim ban by executive action to get around congress, targetting middle east and african states, then he moved the US embassy in Israel without reciprocating such action for Palestine.
The choices you’re saying were made and logic behind them do not add up. This isn’t telling Jewish people to support Hitler. This is telling them to vote against Hitler for their sake and others, only for them to not show up to the polls and expect to hide out. Let me check my history books to see how that turned out…
Shit Shit Shitservative have had a majority for almost 20 years, and they didn’t do a goddamn thing about Israel/Gaza, and they won’t anything now. So fuck you, and fuck your But… But…
Yeah that’s right. That’s why people used to vote for Dems. Up until this time when they proved their lack of action. How would you feel if your relatives were dying in middle East and you are the one voting in government that supports it.
I know they’re not done counting everything yet, but as it currently stands…
2020 Biden - 81.3m
2024 Harris - 66.2m
I’m disgusted with our country.
I’ve said for years that voter apathy would be the death of this country.
I hate that I was right.
It’s not the voter’s fault. Candidates should earn votes not expect them. The Dems chose a shit candidate and lost as a result. They’ll learn nothing from this and probably move further right.
It abso-fucking-lutely is the voters fault as well as the party’s. They knew the options and chose the worst possible one. Get the fuck out of here with that whitewashing bullshit. Even when you have a shit choice, you’re still making the choice, and it’s on you too.
That goes for the voters just as much. Next time we’re staring down a fascist and a shitty dem, we’ll pick the fascist because the Dems has to have a spotless record or we’ll piss away any progress we have in a temper tantrum.
I fucking hate my fellow Americans.
It is the candidate’s job to entice voters. Kamala and the dnc failed. There should be a purge of leadership but they’ll probably just do it all again in 2028. The lesser-Evil argument has never been a good one. Vote shaming has never been a successful tactic either but please feel free to continue lol
Whatever helps you sleep at night with the choices you made friend.
I’m not here to shame anyone. You knew what was at stake when you pulled the lever, I hope you’re happy with the outcome. I’m just not going to let people abdicate the responsibility they’re trying to shirk for the choices they made.
But you’ll be happy to note that I won’t be interacting with you again, because I’ve got no time for cowards who shift blame for consequences of decisions they’ve made.
She got beat by a 10 year old vision that didn’t manifest the first time he won. The worst candidate in history.
She faced no challenges or adversity during a primary because there wasn’t one and therefore had no duty to voters.
Be disgusted by the people who told you SHE was the best choice to beat Trump, because she wasn’t. Not by a long shot.
she was anointed like Hilary Clinton. Voters dont like that.
Additionally, she and the democratic party didn’t tackle or communicate economics, which is always issue #1 no matter what.
Remember what an echo chamber this place is, even bringing that up slightly would get you ratiod or removed by a mod…
I was looking at those numbers too. And if you compare Trump’s 24 numbers to 2020, he lost about 4M votes this time. So it’s not like the 20M from Biden voted for Trump this time, they just didn’t vote.
20 million people are going to be the reason for the death of Democracy.
Assholes.
20 million PLUS all the Trump voters.
You must not focus solely on non-voters.
This is implying there is anything - any possible combination of words in the history of linguistics - that could ever convince them not to vote for Trump.
I’ve seen them have their reasoning destroyed in debate, even using gentle wording, even pointing to Trump’s own words. They don’t change as a result.
The inability to change, mental laziness and intellectual poverty don’t absolve his voters of blame. They are adults and should be treated as such, thus anything else but holding them accountable for their actions is nothing but moral laziness on our part. The people voting for the candidate of “the party of personal responsibility” (what a cruel joke that is) need to take responsibility for their action.
We need to be thrice as angry with the red hatters as with the non-voters.
I know it feels worse to be betrayed by people who voted Biden not that long ago, mostly because we expect them to do better, while we have absolutely no expectations of anything positive from the Trump voters. But who is the bigger problem here? The people who ride the bus no matter where it’s going or the people with their foot on the gas, accelerating towards the cliff?
So we just keep being nice to the braindead traitors who can’t be arsed to get up off the couch and vote so we all don’t live in Nazi World? Because they just haven’t heard the right argument yet, or they just need a wee bit more cajoling, maybe a cookie next time.
idc if it’s existential malaise over the world burning up, or just that they get enough civic participation from their social media Feed. idc about their endless reasons for not showing up (I’ve heard them all up here in Ontario where less than 1/2 the eligible voters turned up, and they’re all nonsense about how it’s someone else’s fault. They feel no shame about it: they’ve been thoroughly convinced that they’re too good/smart to vote).
You keep on with not alienating the braindead lumps. You’ll find them endlessly commentating online, blaming The Woman for Doing It Wrong. Because Kamala didn’t personally bring them tendies they decided their country should be governed AGAIN by a White Supremacist Rapist Incontinent Felon who’s owned by frothy fundies who want to burn the witch.
Every abstaining vote was a vote for Trump. They just wanted to be able to say Wasn’t Me.
This has layers to it.
Morally: Yes, you are absolutely right. Non-voters share part of the blame of electing Donald Trump, they share a part of the moral responsibility and should absolutely be held accountable. Everyone who says “Wasn’t me”, needs to be told that they are part of the problem.
Hell, telling people that non-voters are culpable was one of my first reactions.
Strategically though it’s important that I did not say that they should not be alienated at all, but that I said they should not be completely alienated. Just ask yourself two simple questions:
Imagine >80 million fascists in a single country like the US. Ouff.
I don’t get how this happened.
Something something should not have supported the genocide and all. It’s costing us
Great job electing the person to office who’se the best bet for ensuring it goes from attempted genocide to complete extermination. Pat your back for upholding your morales.
Dude. I actually voted for Kamala. But for God sake just use some empathy for middle eastern community. If I was in their shoes I’d either not vote at all or voted third party. It was a stupid stupid move to put out the message “oh yes we supported the genocide, but look at the other good things we are doing.” Honestly that would piss me off even more.
They had three options.
Vote for the imperfect candidate who has at least been pushing peace deals and not leaving options off the table to achieve that.
Vote for the candidate who has promised unfaltering support for the aggressor and already proven time and time again they don’t care if non-white people die.
Vote third party, or don’t vote at all, ensuring candidate 2’s unthinking base would go uncontested and lead to outcome #2 anyways.
There is no fourth option, and there is no option aside from #1 that had a chance of success in terms of ending the genocide and seeing to the needs of the survivors.
So if there is anyone who really did choose not to vote because the current administration’s policy on Palestine/Gaza and treatment of those people, congratulations on going from anger at someone standing by and not stopping a genocide to 100% ensuring the next person will enable it to completion.
So again, congratulations on that morale victory, hope they don’t pat themselves too hard on the back while standing next to the bodies.
No empathy on your side. Clearly you haven’t been in their position. It’s like asking Jews in Nazi Germany to vote for Hitler because the other candidate is somehow worse. Except Hitler already proved himself bad for them and burned their family. They might not vote for the other candidate, but why would the support Hitler?
I have empathy for them, I have to ask if they have empathy at all. Trump issued a Muslim ban by executive action to get around congress, targetting middle east and african states, then he moved the US embassy in Israel without reciprocating such action for Palestine.
The choices you’re saying were made and logic behind them do not add up. This isn’t telling Jewish people to support Hitler. This is telling them to vote against Hitler for their sake and others, only for them to not show up to the polls and expect to hide out. Let me check my history books to see how that turned out…
Shit Shit Shitservative have had a majority for almost 20 years, and they didn’t do a goddamn thing about Israel/Gaza, and they won’t anything now. So fuck you, and fuck your But… But…
And fuck Putin, too. And all his tankies.
Yeah that’s right. That’s why people used to vote for Dems. Up until this time when they proved their lack of action. How would you feel if your relatives were dying in middle East and you are the one voting in government that supports it.