We are already seeing this get worse, and us not doing it only fucking encourages them doing it to us. The fuck do you think is gonna stop them - Twitter harassment policies? The site’s run by a Nazi. The law? The federal fucking government is about to hire the same Nazi. That New Hampshire Libertarian Party creep straight-up called for assassination, and all the FBI did was show up and tell him not to. He has video of himself flipping them off as they drive away. Maybe ‘tut tut, let’s not sink to their level’ won’t work!
As you said: these assholes will be doing it to innocent people. You don’t have to pretend there’s some grand moral quandry when bad things also happen to bastards.
It’s not “grand moral” to not direct people to a neighborhood to carry out violence. (Because that’s the implication and often follow up to doxxing)
I get it, my opinion isn’t popular on Lemmy. Oh well. I’m in the “never doxx, never swat” camp and I’m ok with it.
Acting like it’s fine is just one more step to their end of the pool. Can’t complain about them doxxing at risk folks if “you” do it to. If that’s “tut tut” to you, oh well.
Can’t complain about them doxxing at risk folks if “you” do it to.
YES YOU CAN.
There’s no hypocrisy in wanting consequences for rapists, but not rape victims. It is not somehow a contradiction, to say some people deserve bad things. You don’t have to play ‘but what if it was opposite day?’ when demonstrable bastards suffer. You are free to feel angry only when innocent people are hurt. You have that right.
Look, it’s crazy out here and I’m not gonna say the US justice system has a sterling reputation, but I think the normalization of vigilante justice / retribution is not the same thing as hoping rapists are charged and incarcerated for their crime.
Doxxing leads to swatting and reddit-boston-bomber mistakes. It is not proper justice.
Edit I’m trying to be a member of a more sane, more just future, and I dont see how normalizing things like doxxing, (just because they already happen, or sometimes happen to bad people) gets us there in any way.
Proper’s gonna be a lot to ask for in the coming years. Do you want justice, Y/N?
Bear in mind it’s fine to just not moan and lament when actual fucking Nazis suffer the vague implication that bad things might happen to them. You don’t have to be gung-ho about it to recognize it is not the same thing as when they do it to the at-risk minorities whom they want to round up and execute.
Justice yes. Vengeance/ vigilantism no. A lot to ask is what it is gonna take from us all over the coming years. You are right on that.
And to circle back, FUCK nick Fuentes. I am not just chirping up about this now because it’s “him”. I will happily decry doxxing of anyone, any politics.
Fuentes “deserves” the worst this earth can provide, in my personal heart. But that’s not a society. Him getting what I think he deserves is not justice. We have to hope laws eventually get him, long shot as it may be.
In the meantime, I’ll be looking after my friends and family, and using what little, tiny voice I have to try and not normalize political vigilante violence.
And that’s fucking terrible.
Edit, as an example: the climate is in pretty bad shape. Should we stop trying to improve it?
Comparison rejected.
We are already seeing this get worse, and us not doing it only fucking encourages them doing it to us. The fuck do you think is gonna stop them - Twitter harassment policies? The site’s run by a Nazi. The law? The federal fucking government is about to hire the same Nazi. That New Hampshire Libertarian Party creep straight-up called for assassination, and all the FBI did was show up and tell him not to. He has video of himself flipping them off as they drive away. Maybe ‘tut tut, let’s not sink to their level’ won’t work!
As you said: these assholes will be doing it to innocent people. You don’t have to pretend there’s some grand moral quandry when bad things also happen to bastards.
It’s not “grand moral” to not direct people to a neighborhood to carry out violence. (Because that’s the implication and often follow up to doxxing)
I get it, my opinion isn’t popular on Lemmy. Oh well. I’m in the “never doxx, never swat” camp and I’m ok with it.
Acting like it’s fine is just one more step to their end of the pool. Can’t complain about them doxxing at risk folks if “you” do it to. If that’s “tut tut” to you, oh well.
YES YOU CAN.
There’s no hypocrisy in wanting consequences for rapists, but not rape victims. It is not somehow a contradiction, to say some people deserve bad things. You don’t have to play ‘but what if it was opposite day?’ when demonstrable bastards suffer. You are free to feel angry only when innocent people are hurt. You have that right.
Look, it’s crazy out here and I’m not gonna say the US justice system has a sterling reputation, but I think the normalization of vigilante justice / retribution is not the same thing as hoping rapists are charged and incarcerated for their crime.
Doxxing leads to swatting and reddit-boston-bomber mistakes. It is not proper justice.
Edit I’m trying to be a member of a more sane, more just future, and I dont see how normalizing things like doxxing, (just because they already happen, or sometimes happen to bad people) gets us there in any way.
Proper’s gonna be a lot to ask for in the coming years. Do you want justice, Y/N?
Bear in mind it’s fine to just not moan and lament when actual fucking Nazis suffer the vague implication that bad things might happen to them. You don’t have to be gung-ho about it to recognize it is not the same thing as when they do it to the at-risk minorities whom they want to round up and execute.
Justice yes. Vengeance/ vigilantism no. A lot to ask is what it is gonna take from us all over the coming years. You are right on that.
And to circle back, FUCK nick Fuentes. I am not just chirping up about this now because it’s “him”. I will happily decry doxxing of anyone, any politics.
Fuentes “deserves” the worst this earth can provide, in my personal heart. But that’s not a society. Him getting what I think he deserves is not justice. We have to hope laws eventually get him, long shot as it may be.
In the meantime, I’ll be looking after my friends and family, and using what little, tiny voice I have to try and not normalize political vigilante violence.
I accept you do not approve of this path.
People getting what they deserve is the only thing justice could be.
Sometimes, laws cannot provide that.
I understand how you feel. It’s alluring, but it’s my opinion that following that path isn’t ok. You’ve made your position clear.