As an employee of a neutral newspaper Washington Post, I would just like to loudly say that WE ARE PROFITING FROM THIS WAR, THAT IS WHY THIS WAR IS GOOD.

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      Lovely_sombrero is talking about the April deal spiked by Boris Johnson’s visit, this article is alleging a deal in late Feb/early March

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        Oh, when Russia would have had to withdraw to its position on February 23 and therefore Ukraine would sacrifice Donbas and Crimea and hand wave away a bunch of war crimes in exchange for not joining NATO.

        Seems like a real balanced solution.

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              Have they really though? Can you really “weaken” a nuclear power?

              Embarrass, yes. Cause a loss of prestige? Of course, but they’re still a nuclear power and that’s never going to change.

              Even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, in the 90s they still had a seat at the table in the UN security council and had a say in their sphere of influence. They still had a sphere of influence.

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            That number is the estimated combined Russian and Ukrainian wounded and casualties. Try to actually be informed instead of parroting tankie talking points comrade.

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              Set aside whose casualties are whose and look at the loss of life and disfigurements. Was it worth it? Neither side has made any significant military gains since the spring that justifies these casualty numbers

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                That argument works just as well for justification of American colonialism and the destruction of Indigenous Americans. Congratulations, that is one amazing take. I’m not even mad, That level of take is amazing. I’m impressed

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                  I don’t know how you take an argument that basically says “a stalemate that just feeds people into the grinder and does not achieve any military objective, means that this war needs to come to an end” and claim that means I’m justifying colonialism and indigenous genocide.

                  On multiple levels, pigpoop

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                    On a short-timeline view (which is exactly what we have now in this conflict) that “stalemate that just feeds people into the grinder that doesn’t achieve a military objective*” is exactly what we had at multiple points during the colonial period. Wars like Father Le Loutre’s War also spilled over to non combatant citizens just like Russia’s Soldiers have targeted. For that matter, that’s been true of just about any period where one nation invaded another to claim them. The only real difference now is we have gotten exceptionally effective at killing people so the totals are far higher.

                    Crack a fucking history book. Justification of aggression and invasion against a sovereign nation is a new low.

                    *- keeping an invading force from progressing is an objective, just ask the North Vietnamese. But you probably think they should have surrendered too based on your logic.

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                  lmao liberals coming up with nonsensical equivalences that make no historical sense whatsoever is a classic example of their intuition based ignorance

                  You do understand Crimeans aren’t ethnic Ukrainians and the people of Donbass are Russian speakers, like you do understand that basic fuckin fact about the conflict right?

                  Do you even know how Donbass became part of the Ukraine, obviously you don’t but maybe you should ask yourself these questions before you run naked in front of us swinging your miseduction and ignorance like a mace

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                  congratulations

                  this is one amazing take

                  I’m not even mad

                  That level of take is amazing

                  I’m impressed

                  When you can’t decide which smug redditism you want to use, so you go with all of them.

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          Ukraine sacrificing Crimea? What a cruel thing to make them do, give up land that they’ve had no control over for almost a decade.

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            Cool, so about ten years after illegal occupation and seizure you’re cool with the rationale of “no takesie backsies” and you still believe Putin will actually stop there.

            Have I got a bridge to sell you.

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              lol illegal occupation and seizure of land whose residents were begging for Russia to help them?

              inb4 but muh Ukrainian sovereignty!!!

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                You actually believe that protest was spontaneous by residents.

                I’m sorry, I was lying before; the bridge isn’t really for sale. I morally can’t feel good about taking advantage of someone that gullible*.

                • PS- If anyone ever tries to tell you “someone wrote gullible on the ceiling” or “you dropped your pocket” they are trying to get you to look to make you look silly. It’s actually a joke at your expense, I just thought someone should warn you.
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                  you can’t seriously swallow us state dept propaganda and scream at anti imperialists to just get in line, while also telling other people they’re gullible with some middle school tier redditisms

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                  PS- If anyone ever tries to tell you “someone wrote gullible on the ceiling” or “you dropped your pocket” they are trying to get you to look to make you look silly. It’s actually a joke at your expense, I just thought someone should warn you.

                  never have i read a comment on the fediverse that so desperately deserved an atomic wedgie and getting stuffed in a locker

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                  You actually believe that protest was spontaneous by residents.

                  Yes.

                  A lot of people aren’t thrilled with the idea of living under ethnic nationalists that intend to use them as scapegoats for the mess of modern Ukraine.

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              “Illegal occupation” dude shut the fuck up, the maiden coup goverment was illegal and there’s a reason western media doesn’t bring up the Crimean referendum

              Crimeans spoke loud and clear, they are not Ukrainian, they don’t want to be Ukrainian and they sure as shit don’t want their region torn apart by a bunch of nazi banderites

              The fact you think Crimea is even up for discussion shows just how ignorant and remote you are from this conflict, read anything besides CNN articles you fascist waterholder