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If youre a vegan hearing the same arguments over and over you can just copy paste these ;) if youre a carnist using these pls do us all a favour and just read the whole list get them out of your system https://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php
The argument about honey is incorrect at best and deliberately misleading at worst.
But beyond this there are a number of ethical issues. The standard practices for retrieving honey involve killing bees by incidentally crushing them.
Bees are sprayed to subdue them while accessing the hive.
When honey is stolen, it is then replaced with a syrup alternative, which is not the same as honey, and is essentially depriving the bee of their natural food.
Bee hives are extremely sensitive and opening them up is highly unnatural for the bees, who work to keep a particular atmosphere inside, which gets disrupted.
On top of this, selective inbreeding of bees has weakened the species as a whole, and transportation of bees to places and environments they’d not normally travel to means transportation of diseases that would not normally affect the local population of bees, which is hazardous to bees in general.
It’s a misconception that honey farming is of benefit to the overall bee population.
bees dont labour to produce excess for themselves so that you can enjoy it. You dont have to understand the concept of ownership for it to be unethical to steal from someone. Hence why the phrase “taking candy from a baby” is a cliche cartoon villain phrase. Does a baby understood the relationship of someone to an object that is exclusive right to retention and destruction? probably not but do they understand they like their stuff that they like and theyre sad when its taken away? And you dont get off if the bees in theory dont notice what is taken because then you are still forcing them to essentially work overtime for no benefit to themselves, you are breeding a slave species that exists to spend 90% of their lives producing excess for someone else non consensually
I feel like we’re arguing 2 different things.
My original point is not “It’s 100% ethical to keep bees and take their honey” (although I personally believe that keeping bees is a lot more ethical than farming mammals and birds)
My argument is that the evidence the article presents as to why beekeeping is bad is largely untrue and is presented in a way that will mislead people.
That’s a very long and round-about way of completely missing the point. You do not require honey in order to live, therefore you have no justifiable excuse to abuse and interfere with bees. They are not yours to own and control. Leave them alone.
“they die naturally so it’s okay to kill them” and “I’m ignorant to science but am going to rebute with an assumption” are what I expect from apologists, yet I’m still somehow let down.