They are a problem everywhere. Their natural habitat is one that does not exist anymore. Wanting it to be true doesn’t change the fact. It’d be like saying “dogs should just go back to their natural habitats” while speaking of pugs or mastiffs or whatever. We’ve spent 12.000 years breeding them and domesticating them, changing their physiology as we’ve likewise changed the ecology and biology of the world.
If you wanna be weird and pedantic go ahead, but in that case you can only have outdoor cats in this region of the arabian peninsula. Everywhere else they’re non-native.
if they lived everywhere with humans for at least 2000+ years, from imperial China to imperial Rome and everything in between, i think you can say cats are ok
but ok, if you want to be pedantic, sure, they are not real cats if they don’t come from the kat region somewhere in palestine 🙄
They very obviously haven’t lived everywhere withoutnissue. There are countless examples of the introduction of cats leading to mass extinction of local fauna. It’s also as if you’re being willfully obtuse about what I am writing, and it is a bit frustrating. Why do you choose to only engage with parts of the text? We have changed the biosphere over the last 2000 years (and especially the last 200) to such an extent that cats no longer have a natural habitat. Do you not think that change extends elsewhere? The massive urban environments that dominate the globe now, as well as the massive amount of land dedicated to farmland means there are precious few areas wherein fauna can exist and procreate. Since these areas now are so limited, it is incredibly damaging when cats are in them to predate on the animals.
You can twist yourself into a pretzel by trying to find a myriad of justifications that do not actually confront the facts of the matter, or you could look at the facts of the matter and accept that outdoor cats are very damaging to the ecology.
You were the one arguing that they could be outside, as long as it was in the region where they came from. We’re just following your logic.
I tell you cats kill an inordinate amount of local wildlife and you call me a lunatic colonizer anglo. I’m not even telling you what to do about it lol.
I’m sorry but cats kill an inordinate amount of wildlife, that’s just how it is. There’s done a bunch of studies on it. I’m loathe to quote Wikipedia, but go to the site I linked you and look thru the sources yourself then.
Cats kill a shitton of animals, and they do that wherever they are. That’s not colonialism.
That was not a sentence I ever expected I’d write.
What part of cats being good at killing things is that hard for you to believe?
Americans desperately need everything to have a definite Right Way and Wrong Way, and the Right Way needs to involve significantly more money and/or effort (preferably being impossible), so that we can properly judge people who are Doing Things The Wrong Way as immoral. Of course that extends to cat care.
What part of cats being good at killing things is that hard for you to believe?
that’s why we kept them around for millenias, and that’s why - unlike chickens, dogs or cows - cats are just semi-domesticated. keeping cats inside is just cruel and bad practice
ok, they are problem in Australia I give you that. but where they existed and lived with humans since forever?
it’s not like we have to adopt stupid Anglo internet paranoias just bcs some some aussie fucked up. fuck anglos anyway
You mean neolithic Egypt? Those times are long gone. Cats have no natural habitat anymore.
so besides Africa, Eurasia, and America, yes, they are a problem in antartica and oceania. got it
They are a problem everywhere. Their natural habitat is one that does not exist anymore. Wanting it to be true doesn’t change the fact. It’d be like saying “dogs should just go back to their natural habitats” while speaking of pugs or mastiffs or whatever. We’ve spent 12.000 years breeding them and domesticating them, changing their physiology as we’ve likewise changed the ecology and biology of the world.
If you wanna be weird and pedantic go ahead, but in that case you can only have outdoor cats in this region of the arabian peninsula. Everywhere else they’re non-native.
if they lived everywhere with humans for at least 2000+ years, from imperial China to imperial Rome and everything in between, i think you can say cats are ok
but ok, if you want to be pedantic, sure, they are not real cats if they don’t come from the kat region somewhere in palestine 🙄
They very obviously haven’t lived everywhere withoutnissue. There are countless examples of the introduction of cats leading to mass extinction of local fauna. It’s also as if you’re being willfully obtuse about what I am writing, and it is a bit frustrating. Why do you choose to only engage with parts of the text? We have changed the biosphere over the last 2000 years (and especially the last 200) to such an extent that cats no longer have a natural habitat. Do you not think that change extends elsewhere? The massive urban environments that dominate the globe now, as well as the massive amount of land dedicated to farmland means there are precious few areas wherein fauna can exist and procreate. Since these areas now are so limited, it is incredibly damaging when cats are in them to predate on the animals.
You can twist yourself into a pretzel by trying to find a myriad of justifications that do not actually confront the facts of the matter, or you could look at the facts of the matter and accept that outdoor cats are very damaging to the ecology.
You were the one arguing that they could be outside, as long as it was in the region where they came from. We’re just following your logic.
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I tell you cats kill an inordinate amount of local wildlife and you call me a lunatic colonizer anglo. I’m not even telling you what to do about it lol.
I’m sorry but cats kill an inordinate amount of wildlife, that’s just how it is. There’s done a bunch of studies on it. I’m loathe to quote Wikipedia, but go to the site I linked you and look thru the sources yourself then.
Cats kill a shitton of animals, and they do that wherever they are. That’s not colonialism.
That was not a sentence I ever expected I’d write.
What part of cats being good at killing things is that hard for you to believe?
Edit: also fuck off with your ableism.
Americans desperately need everything to have a definite Right Way and Wrong Way, and the Right Way needs to involve significantly more money and/or effort (preferably being impossible), so that we can properly judge people who are Doing Things The Wrong Way as immoral. Of course that extends to cat care.
that’s why we kept them around for millenias, and that’s why - unlike chickens, dogs or cows - cats are just semi-domesticated. keeping cats inside is just cruel and bad practice