• archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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      This is the take that bothers me the most, as if the most aggressive and outspoken faction of any group exist only to drag the more respectable members down by association.

      I would be one thing to say, “I don’t understand that group”, but it’s quite remarkable to say, “I understand that group so little that they must be the opposition in disguise”

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        This is the take that bothers me the most, as if the most aggressive and outspoken faction of any group exist only to drag the more respectable members down by association.

        Eh, only a small minority of hexbears are fascists, but almost all hexbears tolerate fascists. All the fascists have to do is walk in and say “NATO is bad, Ukraine is bad, libs are bad, vote for Trump because he is a big lovable goofball” and the other hexbears are like aight let’s own the shitlibs.

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          only a small minority of hexbears are fascists, but almost all hexbears tolerate fascists

          A huge portion of hexbear users are trans or otherwise LGBTQ. Ask them what they think fascists want to do to them. Fascists also massacre socialists — often with American support, as in Indonesia, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Chile, El Salvador, Argentina, and Bolivia. Ask them how they feel about this. Hexbear users do hold some complex views on topics like China and Russia, but they have reasons for this and would tell you if you asked. You should consider talking to them, instead of making things up about them in an authoritative tone of voice. You’ll be hard-pressed to find a hexbear user who doesn’t want Trump dead or in jail.

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            A huge portion of hexbear users are trans or otherwise LGBTQ. Ask them what they think fascists want to do to them.

            Maybe I should ask Jessica Watkins, who explicitly supported fascists, and is now being misgendered and put in the wrong prison by fascists, for supporting fascists.

            Trans and genderqueer people can be just as stupid as Cishet people and vote for the leapords eating faces party. It’s not like fascism actually benefits people, it’s predatory to vulnerable people.

            You should consider talking to them, instead of making things up about them in an authoritative tone of voice.

            I have interacted quite a bit already. I got lots of animal poop pictures and a lot of people requesting that I post a picture of my genitalia.

            You’ll be hard-pressed to find a hexbear user who doesn’t want Trump dead or in jail.

            I’ve seen a number of comments from Hexbears supporting DJT and not a single comment expressing this.

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              comments from Hexbears supporting DJT

              show me one

              *make sure it’s sincere though, because I’m gonna go over there and ask the user what they think of donald trump and why

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                    Aha thank you! That’s definitely one of the threads I was looking for, although the particular “vote Trump” plus comments I haven’t found yet.

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                  defederated

                  Go to the actual URL, hexbear.net

                  Ick

                  You’re reaching for some “fascists always pretend to be joking until they’re not” thing, but the Hexbear community originally formed around a deeply irony poisoned socialist comedy podcast called Chapo Trap House, and hexbears themselves are unsurprisingly also very irony poisoned. On top of that they were an insular unfederated community for three years, with no reason to make their banter intelligible to outsiders. They have a rich set of in-jokes and an emoji list a mile long. Your exposure to them is probably one thread where you argued with them and ten threads of lemmy.world users making shit up about them in absentia.

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                    The podcast Chapo Trap House basically disowned r/chapotraphouse, so pretty much for the poisoned irony getting out of hand.

                    It feels like r/the_donald, which was also irony, until it wasn’t, and suddenly the internet is swarmed with “ironic” Trump memes until he wins the actual presidency, stacks SCOTUS, which rolls back RvW.

                    Maybe 10 years ago I would be down with all this irony. But there are real life consequences harming women right now, that are not so ironic.

                    It’s time to wake up, grow up, pay attention to the consequences and decide if irony and chaos is worth incidentally supporting fascism.

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        It’s blatant though? They use right wing talking points for everything and it’s all dog whistles?

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          “Geopolitics exists as a binary, and on some issues they agree with the opposite binary from me”.

          Worse actually, “they might agree with me on one issue but they disagree on another, so they must be pretending to agree with me to begin with”

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            On hexbear, geopolitics exists as whatever hexbears feel like owns the shitlibs the most at that particular moment.

            Sometimes, Russia is just months away from a well planned and strategized victory, against an evil Nazi Ukraine.

            Other times, everything is a mastermind NATO move that’s all benefiting NATO, and Ukraine is just the meatgrinder victim.

            What feels most alt-right about hexbear isn’t any particular position, but the fact that there’s no particular position. No logical cohesiveness, no rooted in solid reality. It’s superfluid ever changing dream reality.

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              I think the parallel with right wing extremism is because they’re both pushed by the CCP. They use a divide and conquer approach via LLMs on social media to weaken political opponents.

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              Go ask them for their opinions about Russia and China. You’ll get unanimous agreement that Putin is a homophobic capitalist reactionary and Russia is not a socialist or left-wing state. For China, you’ll get disagreements, but most of the takes will be pretty nuanced either way. Some believe Deng’s reforms were necessary to avoid economic strangulation, others are deeply suspicious of the direction China is headed.

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            They didn’t say the USSR, they said modern day China and Russia

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              See, this is exactly what I mean by “I understand them so little that they must be the opposition in disguise”

              If you tried at all, youd understand that they’re position on “modern day Russia and China” is based on the idea of critical support. They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

              I.e. on the Ukraine war, their position is basically “U.S. Involvement in any war is a net-negative to worker solidarity in the country of question”. None there support Russia’s invasion, but they think Americas involvement spells the end of any socialist coalition to begin with.

              But again, “I understand them so little they must be a part of the opposition”. They have a different (definitively leftist) understanding of the war than you do. Doesn’t make them right-wing.

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                They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

                When it comes to Russia bombing their cities and raping their women and children, is that positively or negatively influencing working class solidarity?

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                  Negatively.

                  When it comes to supplying lethal aid to Ukraine to continue the war, though, they’d also say negatively.

                  For the record I don’t agree, but that is their position and I understand it.

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                    Yeah, well when Hexbear hears that wives and daughters are being raped and says “giving Ukrainians weapons to help them defend their families from being raped is bad for worker solidarity”, it makes Hexbear look like a bunch of rape apologizists.