• diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    No there is a code of conduct among true proletarians and then there is lumpen proletariat that behave like punks and thugs, anti-social and a disgrace among proletarians

    “People who are mean to me are criminals” is fucking absurd. Have you ever had a job? Are you actually a kid?

    You’re here arguing for Anarchism, which means you’re not a comrade and aren’t here in good faith. What is there to be nice about?

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      I am arguing that criticism must be directed at something objectively, for what it really is, and not paint a subjective picture of what it is to be convenient to you as to serve a display of superiority. I was raised in a country where this myth went around that communists were bad people with rusty cans and came at night and slit your throat, then took your house. This was myth passed as terrorism by the pro-English security forces that were reconstituted after ww2 to terrorize people to stay away or even think of assisting the communist guerilla (previously the resistance to German occupation).

      The myth went around long enough that people associated being a communist with vicious killers with rusty cans. It is hard to debate with people in support of cold-blooded killers. The reality was pretty much the other way around but there weren’t many people left behind to write an alternative to this “history”, either dead, prisoned, or exiled.

      Lenin himself spoke about the ethics of criticism and the avoidance of populism, myth fabrication, and convenient propaganda. It serves nobody here to criticize anarchists on false premises, Criticize them for the lack of theoretical framework to support this class struggle they speak about but fail to define within a theoretical framework of their own, the inability to organize massively enough or long enough to matter, the weakness of allowing “others” among them who are in reality anti-communists (the very essence of fascism), the refusal of describing a transition process between capitalist state and classless society, as if it would materialize on its own by destruction of state and economy (social organization which keeps people fed, housed, and protected from social cannibalism).

      Lack of social organization results in massive death and misery, whether it is an economy or the state overseeing the structure of this economy, or some other form of power structure as militarily organized societies of the distant past. Especially with the population we now have and 50% of it being urbanized it takes organization to get food available to prevent famine or malnutrition. The anarchists fail to propose a specific social organization to replace the economy and the state. They avoid it as if it is the very privilege of parties and centralized power structures. In any case, leading society to an irriversible chaos and deterioration of material conditions is what prevents anarchists from providing an adequate proposal to convince a significant part of the struggling working poor.

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        1 year ago

        , and not paint a subjective picture of what it is to be convenient to you as to serve a display of superiority.

        This is the kind of weird, condescending, shit that I find offensive.

        You’ve managed to make it through 4 paragraphs, and I’m even more confused as to why you’re talking to me.

        It seemed like you were arguing for a low-tech, anarchist, society, and now you’re trying to condescend me for not arguing correctly against Anarchism?

        Lack of social organization results in massive death and misery,

        This is what I’m trying to illustrate in my original comment. You’re still so fucking fixated on my use of “I” and the specific example of “bullet trains” that you can’t see that.

        and not paint a subjective picture of what it is to be convenient to you as to serve a display of superiority.

        Are you saying I’m not allowed to want things? Fuck you, I can have dreams and passion. My dreams are for a high-tech future society that can provide for everyone. That necessitates highly efficient transportation, like bullet trains, as illustrated by current successful Socialist projects.

        What the fuck is your point?

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          Are you saying I’m not allowed to want things? Fuck you, I can have dreams and passion. My dreams are for a high-tech future society that can provide for everyone. That necessitates highly efficient transportation, like bullet trains, as illustrated by current successful Socialist projects.

          What the fuck is your point?

          Society, the proletariat, is expected to work hard to make your dreams and passions (personal/individual) become reality, or available to you. And this is communist but my criticism is “anarchistic”? If your dream was to make an ultra-fast bicycle just for you to run around with, I’d probably help you. To make a motorcycle do 210mph 330kph, it would take you probably more than a lifetime to create, without tremendous resources and machines you couldn’t possibly know how to use them all. But tolerable. Efficient train is the one carrying the most cargo with less energy, not the fastest on earth. This fast thing only serves capitalism and consuming resources for all the wrong reasons. The reason we have all these companies doing quick deliveries of small projects, entire warehouses, trains, trucks, even planes carrying small packages, is so the capitalist can sell and outcompete any local merchant from the other side of earth. It serves no real purpose and tremendous waste of energy and other resources are wasted because of this.

          We still live on an earth where more than a billion people are malnurished, hungry, or ill due to poor nutrition and living conditions. Bullet trains are a luxury that serve much less than a billion people who benefit from capitalism tremendously.

          Get your act together and begin to think as US instead of as YOU. Have you heard the slogan “everything for everyone, for ourselves nothing” ?? Para todos todo!

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              I believe that in a public forum once you present an idea the idea becomes public, it is not private property, whether others agree, disagree, or will modify the original it is up to them. So once published it is not yours or anyone else’s to delete.

              Maybe irrelevant but a good opportunity to bring it up.

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                I understand you have that belief, I do not share it and find your self-righteous tone to be very unpleasant. I do not want to continue interacting with you.