Hello, fellow lemmings!
I have a few quick updates about lemm.ee. If you don’t want to read a wall of text, then the key points are summarized here for you:
- There is a Lemmy upgrade (0.18) on the horizon, executing this upgrade will require downtime for lemm.ee
- I have made some improvements to our infrastructure in order to reduce those pesky 404 errors that some users have been seeing
- It’s already looking like ~15% of our infrastructure bill for this month is going to be covered by community funding. A huge thanks to all financial supporters of lemm.ee! It’s extremely heartwarming to see that people believe in this platform and are willing to share the costs with me.
Upcoming 0.18 upgrade
With the next version of Lemmy nearing completion, I am starting to plan the upgrade for lemm.ee.
With the 0.17.3 -> 0.17.4 upgrade, I was able to keep lemm.ee online during the upgrade with no downtime. That’s how I would prefer to do all upgrades in the future as well, but unfortunately, there are some fundamentally incompatible changes in 0.18. This means that running a mix of 0.17.4 and 0.18 servers in our infrastructure at the same time will not work - effectively meaning that we can only execute this upgrade with some downtime.
In order to keep surprises to a minimum, I am planning to create a post with a title like “When this post is 1h old, the server will go down for an upgrade”. Once 1h has passed from that post, you will be unable to access lemm.ee until the upgrade completes. If everything goes smoothly, then total expected downtime will be around 15 minutes, but in case of any issues, it could be slightly longer!
It’s not clear yet when 0.18 will be fully ready, but if everything goes well, then this could already happen as early as next week. I will keep you all posted!
Why do we even want 0.18?
There are some very important optimizations landing in 0.18, which should help make the Lemmy UI feel considerably snappier and at the same time give the backend servers some much-needed breathing room. This should help take a lot of pressure of the federated network as a whole, and is a good first step towards scaling further.
Additionally, there are some key fixes that AFAIK will all land in 0.18, such as:
- Additional posts will no longer automatically appear in your feeds while you’re scrolling
- You should stop getting redirected onto a completely different post when opening other posts in other tabs
- The front page will stop showing stale posts for all instances (lemm.ee users will have been enjoying this patch since yesterday already, as I am the author of the patch and decided to apply it early here 😃)
All in all, 0.18 is looking like a great upgrade, so I’m personally looking forward to it.
Random 404 errors
Several users have been experiencing errors on lemm.ee (and similarly on other instances) where some page loads will fail with a white page and a 404 error.
I have spent some time debugging and attempting to mitigate this issue today. I have identified the root cause (spikes in database load related to the amount of new posts in the federated network for every 5 minute interval), and after some database tuning, I have managed to significantly mitigate this issue. Previously, this issue was appearing for about ~6000 page loads every hour. In the hour following my changes, this error only appeared for roughly ~596 page loads! It’s still not 0, so I will continue to try and improve this, but we are starting to brush up against the limits of what our current database infra can manage.
In the longer term, we will seriously benefit from any Lemmy optimizations - I am hopeful that even 0.18 will start bringing down the load on our servers. Additionally, we have a lot of room to upgrade our database infrastructure, but of course this would mean increasing the budget, which I’m not in a position to do for now. This segues us nicely into the third and final topic I wanted to cover:
Server costs
As of today, our infrastructure has scaled up to the point where my own budget will allow. To be more specific, I am able to keep the servers running as is indefinitely, but I am not able to make any further upgrades to our servers out of my own pocket.
Thankfully, we have some extremely kind members in our community, who have already decided to begin supporting lemm.ee and thus ensuring that every single one of us can enjoy a well functioning platform and potential further upgrades down the line! As of today, we have 4 supporters who have signed up for monthly (!!) contributions on my GitHub sponsors as well as one supporter who has donated money through my Ko-Fi page. I want to seriously thank each of you! I am personally super excited about Lemmy as a network, and specifically lemm.ee as an instance, so I’m truly happy to see that others share this excitement and are willing to join me in funding all this.
Pinning updates on the front page
Finally, I am looking for some feedback on how you feel about update posts such as this being pinned to the top of your lemm.ee front page.
My current plan is to pin this post on the front page for the next ~24 hours, after that, I will unpin it, but you will still be able to find it in !meta@lemm.ee.
I have seen some comments complaining about too many pinned posts, so alternatively, I could start pinning the latest site update post to the top of the !meta community, and avoid pinning it to the front page altogether.
If you have thoughts about this (or anything else I have mentioned), please comment below!
Are your servers in one geographic region? Could you scale across regions for better performance?
Personal opinion is that is outside the scope for a single instance. The whole idea behind Lemmy is to have multiple instances to accommodate different geos and different languages.
I think this could be problematic if instances aren’t providing a consistent user experience in different regions. If my Flashlight community is on an instance in California, and my Linux community is in Finland, I’m going to have a very asymmetric experience.
Home instances act as mirrors for posts and comments, so the experience should still be quite symmetric for you overall if you’re browsing both communities from the same instance
I am already leveraging Cloudflare’s globally distributed cache, which helps improve performance even if you’re far away from the backend server. But this only helps partially, not with all types of requests.
lemm.ee is hosted in central Europe, and based on monitoring, it does seem that most users are having a pretty decent experience on lemm.ee regardless of their geographic location so far. One key exception to this are short windows of database load spikes, which last for roughly 10 seconds every 5 minutes. For these spikes, everybody is suffering equally, regardless of where they are in the world 😅.
But in general I agree with the sibling comment by @Notorious - rather than scaling one instance to be some massive globally distributed powerhouse, it makes sense to spread out the load amongst a lot of different instances.
Thank you for your work and communication! I agree it doesn’t make sense to invest in global infrastructure unless everyone does it, and the return wouldn’t be worth it. We’ll just have to get used to some performance issues as the fediverse takes off!
Are the DB spikes ACTUALLY every 5 minutes or is that just kind of a guess? I ask because if it’s consistent, it’s gotta be some sidecar process somewhere in the stack that can be fiddled with.
That said, it really sounds like you know what you’re doing already so I’ll just go play with my new communities.
The spikes are caused by a specific reoccurring process which happens every 5 minutes. I have already significantly optimized it with a patch on lemm.ee, I’m working on getting it merged upstream as well!