It wasn’t a hostile discussion or anything, i didn’t even go full “the kulaks deserved it” (although the mod that single-handedly banned me did go full “the kulaks did not deserve it”). I just laid out plainly and calmly that revolutions are inherently authoritarian, that Luxemburg said “the revolution will be as violent as the ruling class makes it necessary” and that there’s one Trotzki quote i 100% agree with: “If the October Revolution hadn’t succeeded, the world would have known a Russian word for fascism 10 years before Mussolini’s March on Rome”. Basically the whole “Jakarta Method” train of thought laid out clearly and without calling anybody names.

Note that this was on an explicitly left-leaning server that does not allow cops and troops to join. Also after several days of another poster starting destructive, aggressive bad faith arguments in the politics channel until a number of users went “disengage” on her and the channel had to be frozen until recently, when she immediately started being hostile and arguing in bad faith again, which got her not one, but two warnings from the same mod without further consequences. Meanwhile, when i defend AES without attacking anybody, that’s apparently too much for her to handle. No advance warning, no “sis, you’re talking to me as a mod here”, not even a notification that i got banned.

The best part is that according to screenshots a friend just sent me, she’s now completely going off about “authoritarians”. The nerve some people have.

Sorry for posting pointless internet drama here, i just needed to vent.

  • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    7·
    1 year ago

    but it doesn’t change that they advocate for a revolution that takes control of the state and keeps using it.

    This is beside your point, but Lenin is pretty clear about smashing the state machinery and replacing it. You said you read State and Rev, right?

    They are political movements, they’re just very niche and small. I don’t see why I have to pretend they don’t exist just because of that though.

    Because coloring your language over niche issues out of ideological convenience is annoying. Who gives a shit about those niches in general conversation? If you want to talk about them, talk about them, but when discussing the Soviets and CPC and their supporters, there is no need to hedge our language to include the idiosyncratic theorizing of a five-member book club/gaming club in a run-down coffee shop in exurban Milwaukee.

    Never claimed he wasn’t. I’m saying there are people who follow marxism and want socialism with methods and endgoals that have nothing to do with Lenin so calling any leftist who believes in a transitional state ML or tankie is just a lazy generalization that I don’t see why I should use when statist is a perfectly fine word to me, you disagree with my use of it but you understand what I mean when I do so either way, no?

    Pretending that classical Marxists still exist and matter, I did volunteer that you simply say “Marxist” and you ignored that too

    • mimichuu_English
      2·
      1 year ago

      This is beside your point, but Lenin is pretty clear about smashing the state machinery and replacing it. You said you read State and Rev, right?

      Yes, I feel like I’m just being terrible at expressing myself, I’m sorry.

      If you want to talk about them, talk about them, but when discussing the Soviets and CPC and their supporters, there is no need to hedge our language to include the idiosyncratic theorizing of a five-member book club/gaming club in a run-down coffee shop in exurban Milwaukee.

      I just don’t agree. I don’t think we should discard or ignore ideals simply because they aren’t very popular. It’s not like it’s a massive effort to do so, you just have to say a word instead of another.

      Pretending that classical Marxists still exist and matter, I did volunteer that you simply say “Marxist” and you ignored that too

      Marxist could probably work, but when we’re talking about revolutionary strategy, as I’ve said before, there are massive differences between kinds of marxists. “Statist” the way I use it describes the specific part about the strategy I mean so I’m not excluding or generalizing anything.