A kbin user has the most upvoted comment chain on that post.
https://kbin.social/m/meta%40lemm.ee/t/458933/How-do-I-block-all-of-Hexbear-from-All/top
sh.itjust.works and a 1-user Lemmy instance called lemmy.magnor.ovh also see and reply to Hexbear comments, though Hexbear doesn’t see their replies:
Right wing propaganda here? Like WHAT?
If I sent this site to a right winger, they’d have a meltdown about how evil and leftist it is
America Brain has had a serious effect on its populace: the Two Party System has been so ingrained, anyone that criticizes you must be the enemy.
And we kinda short circuit that sheltered view. See, we use ad hominem and link PPB, that’s crude, therefore right wing. Even when we say universal healthcare and housing should be a thing, we can’t sincerely mean it because it was already established that we’re right wing. So we’re right wingers pretending to be left. Which means our criticisms of the Ukraine are sincere, our criticisms of Russia are insincere, because we’re right wing. Our criticisms of libs are sincere, our criticisms of republicans aren’t, etc etc.
They must invent a reality where 4chan users have enough attention and dedication to pull off a multi thousand user forum that’s not federated with anything and keeping to rules of being pro LGBT+ and not using slurs (which 4channers love btw) for 3 years so and also make u/spez fuck up 3rd party APIs later and make people choose to mass migrate and they happen to choose Lemmy, we could then federate and attack them from the left.
These people would be susceptible to Scientology if they grew up around Scientologists. They’ll believe anything.
Anyone would be susceptible to scientology if they grew up around scientologists unless it was in a oppositional context
That’s true in general about all worldviews. The difference is whether, given enough exposure to contrary information, you would escape or not.
I really think it’s an honest misunderstanding, fueled by wrong first impressions.
Even for myself, the first time I opened hexbear.net a few months ago, I immediately saw some post about Trump on the front page, and a bunch of posts and comments criticising liberals. I completely misunderstood what was going on here, I also thought that it’s some kind of right wing circlejerk. This misunderstanding was later reinforced by reading comments elsewhere on Lemmy calling Hexbear a Putin supporter instance, troll instance, etc.
I only started questioning my understanding when I started noticing some sincere comments by Hexbear users, and eventually I realised that you guys have pretty much the same worldview as I do (in terms of the rich only being rich because they exploit the poor etc).
It can really take some effort on the part of external users to figure out what’s going on in here, and from my own experience, I think it’s extremely easy to get the wrong idea.
See, I think another huge part of it is that American liberals tend to see crudeness as right wing, because their media glorifies civility and they only see those that don’t adhere to it on the right, or teenage trolls.
Moderate republicans and basically all dems will gang up against you if you’re uncivil in criticizing the status quo, and civil criticisms amount to… well, nothing. Hell, Occupy Wall St accomplished nothing and that was much more civil than camping outside banker homes with guillotines or throwing Molotovs (see any French protest from Robespierre till now). If these fuckers saw MLK Jr. in Selma they’d call them disruptive. Well, actual MLK Jr. anyway:
"I hear a lot of talk these days about our direct action talk alienating former friends, I would rather feel they are bringing to the surface latent prejudices that are already there. If our direct action programs alienate our friends … they never were really our friends.”
I call it Sorkin Syndrome. The nerds interested in politics today grew up on West Wing instead of reading politics. Like, Abe Lincoln bullied an opponent to tears with personalattacks during a debate before. That kind of energy needs to return to mainstream politics.
I think oppressed and exploited people have no need to be civil, but on the other hand, I don’t think it’s right to say that people who are alienated by “uncivil” posts on Lemmy were never really friends (I am extending your “dems” to include Lemmy users here, I hope I’m not misrepresenting your point) - I think a lot of them have good intentions and would probably support socialism if they understood it. Maybe I’m naive, but I’ve noticed several times seemingly decent people on Lemmy having negative opinions about Hexbear. Just recently, I saw one person calling Hexbear “tankies”, and then in another thread the same person was calling for the elimination of millionaires. They’re just a few steps away from being a “tankie” themselves, and they just don’t realise it because they are missing some key information.
I was saying in another thread before, I think having a friendly “intro to Hexbear” type page or post would be awesome, because it could be shown to confused Lemmy users who don’t understand Hexbear yet.
Sure, it is just a few steps away, but those steps are actually quite hard to overcome, because the Sisyphean boulder that liberals keep pushing up that hill only to watch it roll down again is this: upholding the system.
The Parliamentarian is blocking this, we can’t do anything about it. Oh Manchin was a spoiler vote, dang. We can’t expand the court. Oops, Roe V Wade was overturned. HRC won the popular vote but instead Trump won the election? Too bad we can’t touch the Electoral College, an archaic system most other democracies don’t have. The 50th mass shooting this year, and it’s only February, the best thing we can do is vote Dem because Republicans are worse at gun control. Nothing else we can do, no matter how many hundreds of children die, the best is just voting dem. Oop, the Republicans Gerrymandered this district so despite having 35% of votes, they win the election? We’ll make a Last Week Tonight episode about it.
But the issue is if you’re against the system written by slave owners hundreds of years ago, you’re attacking America itself, which means you’re a Kremlin/CPC/North Korean bot.
Also, to address the “intro to Hexbear” thing, most of our pinned posts are fairly accessible and contain real history/literature but I think people by default skip pinned posts.
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I think you’re right but there are people who aren’t just out off but irrevocably revolted by, idk, guillotine-posting, and those people were never our friends
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1-Our trump posts are mostly about how funny that piece of shit is, which can definitely be confusing to people who are used to viewing him as some kind of singular harbinger of social decay. We dont view him with any kind of unique horror beyond the horror of his class, which can look exculpatory to bystanders.
2-The “2” party dichotomy is dominant in the US and the left has been deliberately dismantled over decades, so it’s a common and easy misconception to think that
There is a lot of anti-republican sentiment, but maybe the person got unlucky and missed it
I’ve had an interaction that pointed out posting Hunter Biden stuff (it was the cocaine and prostitutes news) is inherently pro Trump due to the connotations
I explained drugs and sex work should be legal and it makes Hunter cooler than any Trump or Obama.
And they went on to post that it was still pro-Trump in a different thread.
What I mean is “pro Trump” is a tenuous term.
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Don’t get me wrong, I get it now, I’m just saying that when I first came to Hexbear, I was confused
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Gun = Right wing
Simple as :smuglord:
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From an outside perspective there are probably a few things we support here that the American right might as well.
For example, lots of people here support Russia to some extent because they endorse anti-imperialist action against NATO expansionism.
Lots of people on the American right support Russia out of solidarity for their fellow fascists.
Your outsider looking in just sees support for Russia and disdain for the Ukrainian regime and makes the association.
Don’t forget it’s textbook fascism to copy leftists points (cf. the Nazis being called “National socialists”) and I can only imagine this will increase
Especially good point when you think about how their messaging is amplified and ours is suppressed so most people are going to first interact with those (lip service) points wearing a brown hat instead of a red/black one