• m0darn@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    Can you elaborate for someone that doesn’t see the dots you’re connecting?

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      9 months ago

      I really don’t know how to articulate my feelings on this. I have an issue when people migratr to a new country and start raising hackles and creating the potential and reality of violence that touches the Canadians around them over fantasy lands that don’t even exist and cynically undermine our very real relationships with existing legitimate regimes with whom we need to be able to constructively work and dialogue.

      With all due respect, Khalistan does not exist and is not recognized by any modern nation. It is a fantasy and should be treated as such. Furthermore, zero Canadian blood should be spilled over it on the behalf of those who advocate so fiercely for it in a nation where they cannot hope to effect the change necessary for its reification that it creates the potential or likelihood for real violence that is as senseless as it is misplaced.

      Anybody who has social media or online presence that even uses the word Khalistan should be immediately inadmissable. We don’t care and no Canadian life should be sacrificed for the sake of its advocacy. It should serve as a disqualifying factor because they do not have any inherent jurisdiction nor expectation for its recognition nor do they have the necessary resolve to make rhat difficult decision that may lead to their own blood being spilled rather than that of their compatriots not so priveleged as to be able to fly away to Canada whilst spouting their violent rhetoric or talk of overthrowing existing recognized geopolitical players and hard truths.

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        I have an issue when people migrate to a new country and start raising hackles and creating the potential and reality of violence

        It’s easy to understand the feeling that when you move to the new world you should leave old world politics behind.

        Are you consistent with this view though? It’s a difficult thing to do. During the Great Hunger in Ireland would it have been wrong for the Irish diaspora to advocate economic reforms in Ireland?

        Was Canada right to refuse entry to Jews fleeing Europe in 1939?

        Khalistan does not exist…

        I’m not in a position to comment on the probability of the khalistan movement succeeding in the creation of an independent state. I don’t like the idea of ethno-states and non-secular government but I’m sympathetic to people advocating for the right to self determination.

        zero Canadian blood should be spilled over it

        So why are you applauding India killing Canadians?

        Anybody who has social media or online presence that even uses the word Khalistan should be immediately inadmissable

        People like us?

        …nor do they have the necessary resolve to make that difficult decision that may lead to their own blood being spilled rather than that of their compatriots

        You realize that we’re talking about someone that WAS (allegedly) killed for their resolve right? Is that the irony you were referencing in your original comment?

        …spouting their violent rhetoric or talk of overthrowing…

        Canada does have anti terrorism laws so if he was violating those he should have been prosecuted, but I’m not on board with Canadians being killed for exercising their rights to free speech. India accused him of some pretty serious stuff, why couldn’t they get Canada to prosecute him?

        As a Canadian, this is just so perfect full-circle irony and hypocrisy, its surreal.

        Yay India, keep helping us take out the trash

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          9 months ago

          I appreciate your breaking everything down, I suppose I’m having a delayed reaction to the story of the father in downtown Vancouver that was stabbed to death by one such “Khalistani” and I think thats one to many deaths on their account.

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            9 months ago

            Some googling suggests to me that you’re talking about the murder of Paul Schmidt by Inderdeep Gosal.

            I couldn’t find anything firmly linking him to Khalistani independence movements. But I did see this article suggesting there is a smear campaign against Sikhs/Khalistanis.

            Also my 5 minutes of research suggested that he came here as a young child. So I don’t think he came here for the purpose of agitating for an independent Khalistan from the safety of Canada.