• TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    It’s worth making a distinction between something inherently damaging like alcohol, and something that most people can engage with in moderation and face no issues, like sugar or porn.

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      1 year ago

      This I agree with, but your “in moderation” should be emphasized. Too much sugar - well, it’s obvious. Too much porn - one can really, honestly, seriously, I’m not joking, got serious hormonal and even mental problems.

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        1 year ago

        Yeah but not to the point of making a scandal about it. Porn faces more alarmism than it justifies, getting accused of being the downfall of society on a regular basis. There are merits in pointing out some people can have problems with it, but most can manage themselves just fine.

        Even when it comes to sugar, the “obviousness” of the matter for many becomes a matter of judging people for their looks, or a moral outrage against gluttony and laziness, rather than any real concerns about people’s health and well-being. Say, you don’t really see people being judged for their lack of sleep in the way they are judged for being fat, even though that is also pretty unhealthy.

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          1 year ago

          It’s not about looks, it’s exactly about health.

          You do see people being judged for the behavior resulting from lack of sleep, wrong food, some addictive habits and so on.

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            1 year ago

            For it to be about health the person needs to care to begin with, and many people eager to humilliate people for their weight don’t have a single drop of care for them. Much on the contrary, really.

            I used to think there was a foundation of concern underneath that, but I have been on the internet enough to witness what a visceral disgust and hatred some people have about fat people.

            People definitely don’t talk the same way about lack of sleep that they do towards weight. Often lack of sleep is even seen as a noble sacrifice. Even when they realize people aren’t sleeping out of self-neglect they are still more likely to be concerned than revolted over it.

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              1 year ago

              I’ve specifically said “behavior resulting from …”, not lack of sleep itself.

              About visceral disgust and hatred - well, I’ve met one girl with weight problems recently. She’s one of the most charming people I’ve met, and attractive too. Before meeting her I (in imagination and first impressions) almost shared that, because I’ve known some unpleasant people with excess weight at school and in my childhood.

              Point being, many other traits are met with hatred by some people with pseudonymity. Cowards are like that.