Legal firm had said Real World Portal encouraged misogyny and there was evidence to suggest it is an illegal pyramid scheme

Apple removes app created by Andrew Tate::Legal firm had said Real World Portal encouraged misogyny and there was evidence to suggest it is an illegal pyramid scheme

  • hyperhopper@lemmy.mlEnglish
    314·
    1 year ago

    Owning black people was also the right of plantation owners. And Nazis said they had a lot of rights as well…

    If you think that something being a legal right means it morally should be, you’re on the wrong side of history.

    • Grant_M@lemmy.caEnglish
      163·
      1 year ago

      You’re comparing Apple to Nazis because they don’t want to be in business with a rapist scumbag?

      • hyperhopper@lemmy.mlEnglish
        413·
        1 year ago

        No, I’m saying just because we currently don’t regulate large corporations enough doesn’t mean they should have the right to fuck over anybody they want to

        • Grant_M@lemmy.caEnglish
          93·
          1 year ago

          As a privately owned company, they reserve the right to not support rapists.Stop advocating for a rapist.

          • hyperhopper@lemmy.mlEnglish
            37·
            1 year ago

            I don’t support rapists. That dude and people that want his app suck.

            But everybody deserves to be able to run whatever software there want on their devices. And no company should be able to tell you what to do with things that you own.

            • Grant_M@lemmy.caEnglish
              53·
              1 year ago

              Apple doesn’t have to provide a platform for a rapist. They have that right. Do you not support freedom?

              • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
                25·
                1 year ago

                See, when it’s your own home, you can claim that freedom, not to allow unwanted guests. Already if you have a public business, there are anti-discrimination rules. And if you own the whole goddamn city, if that was possible, you probably should have even more restrictions to imposing your will. Apple & Google together have a monopoly on smartphones, so it’s like someone owned all the public squares in the country and decided certain things or people are banned. Legal, maybe, good, not really.

                (If he does get convicted of rape, btw, then he will lose the right to live anywhere but a prison, and so he should also lose access to platforms like Apple. The problem is, that hasn’t happened yet)

              • hyperhopper@lemmy.mlEnglish
                38·
                1 year ago

                I support freedom for people. Apple is not a person.

                Also “platforms” like the one apple now operates is akin to a “platform” like mail which has been determined to be a right. The thing is popular opinion and regulations have not yet caught up to this, but we have never had singular corporations that have widespread control the way tech companies do now. I believe we need to rectify this and make sure that companies that act as platforms for the public stop meddling with what the public does on those platforms.

                  • hyperhopper@lemmy.mlEnglish
                    26·
                    1 year ago

                    You also apparently never read or respond to the actual point other people are making.

                • Marruk@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  1 year ago

                  a “platform” like mail which has been determined to be a right.

                  When was mail determined to be a right, and by whom?

          • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
            29·
            1 year ago

            Dude nobody here is advocating for a rapist, period. We advocate for freedom of speech, and not just the limited one currently granted by the 1st amendment of the constitution of the USA.

            As a privately owned (really, public) company, they do reserve those right. I believe that’s a mistake, and that the constitution should protect free speech even on those platforms, even though it currently doesn’t.

            Edit: I don’t mean they should make it easy to install Tate’s app, mind you, just “possible”. Just allowing app sideloading like Android, behind a bunch of warnings and hoops to jump, would be enough.

            • Grant_M@lemmy.caEnglish
              63·
              1 year ago

              So what you’re saying is the people at Apple have no freedom of speech, only rapists like Tate?

              • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
                23·
                1 year ago

                That’s what you’re saying, not me. Re-read my words, and if you actually want to have a civil and respectful conversation, I’ll be here, but don’t put words in my mouth

                • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
                  31·
                  1 year ago

                  You are the one saying Apple shouldn’t be allowed to use their “freedom of speech” to promote the things they want to promote.

                  • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    1·
                    1 year ago

                    Not exactly, they shouldn’t be allowed to monopolize the market with unfair practices, should be required to allow app sideloading and/or 3rd party app stores and/or jailbreak without hacking (all things already true for Android btw). But until they do, then yes, their freedom should not be used to curtail other people’s own freedom (“my freedom ends where yours begins” principle).

            • Marruk@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              We advocate for freedom of speech, and not just the limited one currently granted by the 1st amendment of the constitution of the USA.

              “People should be able to say whatever they want without having to fear consequences” is a garbage take on “freedom of speech”. Even if you clarify it as “people be able to say whatever they want without having to fear consequences from large organizations”, it is still a garbage take.

              • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                I believe in certain, limited restriction on freedom of speech, namely, using that freedom to curtail other people’s freedom. That includes inciting violence or causing harm to others in any way, or yes, silencing them on one of the largest mobile platforms on the planet.