Granted, they did start using the swastika 20 years before the Germans did. But the fact they didn’t change it during or after the war is very telling.
It has been changed since (in 1945) and it’s only used very rarely. I think there’s some pride there about lot “letting Nazis ruin the logo”. It was one of major Finnish national symbols prior to Nazis and used since like iron ages. So bit of pride involved there.
Funny story. Finnish president Urho Kekkonen was visiting French president Charles de Gaulle and gave him a honory knighthood thing. Only problem, the symbolic necklace came with swastikas. Of course de Gaulle wasn’t a huge fan of that and Finns, realizing the issue, later changed the necklace and sent him the new one. Giving de Gaulle a swastika necklace as a present, lol.
I mean it isn’t a Nazi symbol. The specific use in air force comes from the count in 1918, way before Nazism was even a thing. And that’s when Finnish Air Force adopted it. Nazism isn’t a transitive property that goes back in time and up another branch of the tree into our air force symbol lol.
Uhhhhhh no… the air force roundel of the Finnish air force was only chosen because the brother in law to Herman Goering gifted Finland it’s first few fighters and he emblazoned them with the swastika because he liked the symbol.
That same guy would later go on to help make the Nazi flag.
Yes, the iron ages. Maybe you didn’t just find it but
Suomessa hakaristejä on esiintynyt arkeologisten löytöjen perusteella viimeistään rautakaudelta alkaen.[4] Myöhemmin historiallisella ajalla hakaristiä tiedetään käytetyn muun muassa onnenmerkkinä esimerkiksi rakennuksissa, puuesineissä, vaatteiden kirjailuissa sekä puumerkkinä.[5] Hakaristi on myös ollut osa tursaansydän-taikamerkkiä, jonka on katsottu suojelevan pahalta. Hakarististä on käytetty myös nimitystä vääräpää, sananmukaisesti vinopäiseksi, erotuksena suoravartisesta rististä.[6] Puuesineissä sitä on käytetty esimerkiksi kauluslaudoissa. Suomen kansallismuseossa on Ilmajoelta vuodelta 1780 peräisin oleva kauluslauta, jossa on hakaristi, hannunvaakuna ja muita kuvioita.[7]
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Swastikas have been found in Finland since the Iron Age at the latest, according to archaeological finds.Later in the historical period, swastikas are known to have been used as lucky charms on buildings, wooden objects, embroidery on clothes and as a wooden marker, among other things.[5] Swastikas have also been part of the codfish heart charm, which was considered to protect against evil. The swastika has also been referred to as a wrong-headed cross, literally a crooked head, as opposed to a straight-headed cross.[6] In woodwork, it has been used on collar boards, for example. The National Museum of Finland has a collar board from Ilmajoki from 1780 with a swastika, a dandelion and other designs.[7]
The Finnish air force roundel (the logo on the planes) was replaced and in 1945. The swastikas in other use, like I mentioned, are used rarely. I still some are still around.
I don’t know if you’re joking or uninformed but that cross logo came from a Swedish count who donated the first plane to Finland in 1918. It’s not Nazi imaginery.
As far as I know time moves in just one direction and those dates are after 1918. I’m sorry, I’m not trying to gross you out on purpose. I just don’t understand calling it a Nazi symbol for how it was used after Finnish Air Force adopted it. To me it seems clear that if it was adopted before those things existed/happened then how could they have adopted a Nazi symbol?
That’s where it started but I wouldn’t call him a proto-Nazi at that point. But in any case, point was that when the symbol was adopted, it had nothing to do with Nazis. Unless something being Nazi is some sort of transitive property, traveling back through the chain to 1918.
Two decades after Finnish air force had adopted it. Saying it’s Nazi imaginery based on that would seem a bit strange, like the property of something being Nazi travels back in time.
Finland knew what side of the war they were on.
CW: Nazi imagery
Hmmm I wonder what side that was 🤔
Granted, they did start using the swastika 20 years before the Germans did. But the fact they didn’t change it during or after the war is very telling.
Wasn’t it the same guy that got both countries interested in the symbol?
It turns out you’re right lmao
The guy was the brother in law to Herman Goering and gifted planes to Finland so they used the symbol.
the anticommunists were nazis?!
Eric von Rosen, literal Swedish Nazi. For fuck’s sake. It’s just so painfully blatant.
It has been changed since (in 1945) and it’s only used very rarely. I think there’s some pride there about lot “letting Nazis ruin the logo”. It was one of major Finnish national symbols prior to Nazis and used since like iron ages. So bit of pride involved there.
Funny story. Finnish president Urho Kekkonen was visiting French president Charles de Gaulle and gave him a honory knighthood thing. Only problem, the symbolic necklace came with swastikas. Of course de Gaulle wasn’t a huge fan of that and Finns, realizing the issue, later changed the necklace and sent him the new one. Giving de Gaulle a swastika necklace as a present, lol.
It’s not a Nazi symbol, it’s just a symbol we got from a Nazi. No connection, move along, NATO IS GREAT NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS
I mean it isn’t a Nazi symbol. The specific use in air force comes from the count in 1918, way before Nazism was even a thing. And that’s when Finnish Air Force adopted it. Nazism isn’t a transitive property that goes back in time and up another branch of the tree into our air force symbol lol.
Whut
Uhhhhhh no… the air force roundel of the Finnish air force was only chosen because the brother in law to Herman Goering gifted Finland it’s first few fighters and he emblazoned them with the swastika because he liked the symbol.
That same guy would later go on to help make the Nazi flag.
The symbol itself has a long history in Finland, that’s what I meant https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakaristi_Suomessa
You’re right about why the air force logo was chosen though, it came from that guy in 1918.
The symbol itself has a long history in Finland, that’s what I meant https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakaristi_Suomessa
You’re right about why the air force logo was chosen though, it came from that guy in 1918.
the first documented use I can see was a finnish artist called Akseli Gallen-Kallela in 1889
The fucking iron ages huh?
Yes, the iron ages. Maybe you didn’t just find it but
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https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakaristi_Suomessa
Fair enough
The Finns took a while to advance past the iron age, you’ll have to forgive them.
I mean that’s genuinely true, iron age in Finland is from 500 BCE to 1200-1300 CE.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53249645
replaced in 1945 eh?
The Finnish air force roundel (the logo on the planes) was replaced and in 1945. The swastikas in other use, like I mentioned, are used rarely. I still some are still around.
I don’t know if you’re joking or uninformed but that cross logo came from a Swedish count who donated the first plane to Finland in 1918. It’s not Nazi imaginery.
That guy became a prominent Nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_von_Rosen
Lmao
I don’t know if you noticed the 1918 there. I’m not sure even proto-Nazis were around that time.
Hitler joined the party that would become the Nazis in 1919. Von Rosen met Hitler in like 1922.
This little shell game you’re trying to play with the dates is super gross.
As far as I know time moves in just one direction and those dates are after 1918. I’m sorry, I’m not trying to gross you out on purpose. I just don’t understand calling it a Nazi symbol for how it was used after Finnish Air Force adopted it. To me it seems clear that if it was adopted before those things existed/happened then how could they have adopted a Nazi symbol?
Oh wait, the swastika was a symbol for Aryan purity as early as 1912.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/man-who-brought-swastika-germany-and-how-nazis-stole-it-180962812/
I was refuting your claim that Nazism wasn’t around at the time.
And what’s your excuse for it’s continued use after 1920, when it publicly became a Nazi symbol?
Did they just not have paint, and wanted to be polite to the guy who donated 1 plane?
Hitler’s origin story is literally getting owned in ww1
That’s where it started but I wouldn’t call him a proto-Nazi at that point. But in any case, point was that when the symbol was adopted, it had nothing to do with Nazis. Unless something being Nazi is some sort of transitive property, traveling back through the chain to 1918.
Two decades after Finnish air force had adopted it. Saying it’s Nazi imaginery based on that would seem a bit strange, like the property of something being Nazi travels back in time.
He was the Brother in law to Herman Goering lmaoooo. That “Swedish count” was a high ranking Nazi.
Nazis weren’t a thing in 1918, when the symbol was adopted.