Advances were made and sustained principally through labor organization, not government regulations.
Much of the manipulation in the presentation from PU is based on constructing a false dichotomy between organization through either private business versus central government.
A common tactic is to bait an antagonist into attacking private business, but then shifting from a defense of business to a criticism of government. It is employed by proponents of marketism, and commonly involves insertion into the discussion, often as a straw man, the Democratic Party or the Soviet Union.
Such proponents often respond poorly to suggestions about cooperative organization, or to reminders over the natural tendency of business to seek increasing protection from the state.
Advances were made and sustained principally through labor organization, not government regulations.
It’s both. It happens because of regulation (otherwise there’d be nothing stopping businesses from exploiting you even harder than they already do) but as has been said many times, regulations are written in blood. They weren’t passed out of the goodness of anyone’s hearts, but as a capitulation to labour organising.
Of course not. But what are we organising for, if not our rights? In our society, those rights are upheld by law. We organise to make those laws happen. And , when it comes to it, to behead them and make our own laws.
It has always been the same under representative democracy. Elite bodies serve elite interests.
The postwar period took its form due to strong labor, and the Bretton Woods system, arising in the aftermath of the Depression and amidst the Second World War. The period was the exception, not the rule, for capitalism under liberal democracy.
Laws are at best one tool of many, not the final objective, for labor.
The period was the exception, not the rule, for capitalism under liberal democracy.
Laws are at best one tool of many, not the final objective, for labor.
I’m literally an anarcho-communist, you don’t need to tell me this. I have already said this. I’m only defending regulation because they’re our best tool for immediate results under liberal democracy, and I have already said before that it can only be achieved through violent demonstration, and I’ve also said that to achieve our real goals we need to get even more violent and get the guillotines out for full on revolution.
Stop preaching my own opinions at me like you’re trying to convert me lol. We’re on the same side.
you can make a similar argument for slavery
triangle shirtwaist fire ._.
do the people who don’t like government regulations know how working conditions were before government regulations
Advances were made and sustained principally through labor organization, not government regulations.
Much of the manipulation in the presentation from PU is based on constructing a false dichotomy between organization through either private business versus central government.
A common tactic is to bait an antagonist into attacking private business, but then shifting from a defense of business to a criticism of government. It is employed by proponents of marketism, and commonly involves insertion into the discussion, often as a straw man, the Democratic Party or the Soviet Union.
Such proponents often respond poorly to suggestions about cooperative organization, or to reminders over the natural tendency of business to seek increasing protection from the state.
It’s both. It happens because of regulation (otherwise there’d be nothing stopping businesses from exploiting you even harder than they already do) but as has been said many times, regulations are written in blood. They weren’t passed out of the goodness of anyone’s hearts, but as a capitulation to labour organising.
Well, they are ignored the moment labor loses the power to demand their enforcement.
I try not to emphasize regulations. Genuine power never comes from words.
Of course not. But what are we organising for, if not our rights? In our society, those rights are upheld by law. We organise to make those laws happen. And , when it comes to it, to behead them and make our own laws.
Laws are made by the powerful few.
Power for the masses comes from the groundul up.
We organize to build our own power, toward our own interests, to challenge the systems that support the interests of elites.
Yep, in our current neoliberal capitalist system. This is what we live in, which is why it’s what I’m describing.
I know, but we don’t have that yet. That’s the goal.
Indeed. No need to repeat my own beliefs at me ;)
It has always been the same under representative democracy. Elite bodies serve elite interests.
The postwar period took its form due to strong labor, and the Bretton Woods system, arising in the aftermath of the Depression and amidst the Second World War. The period was the exception, not the rule, for capitalism under liberal democracy.
Laws are at best one tool of many, not the final objective, for labor.
I’m literally an anarcho-communist, you don’t need to tell me this. I have already said this. I’m only defending regulation because they’re our best tool for immediate results under liberal democracy, and I have already said before that it can only be achieved through violent demonstration, and I’ve also said that to achieve our real goals we need to get even more violent and get the guillotines out for full on revolution.
Stop preaching my own opinions at me like you’re trying to convert me lol. We’re on the same side.
It’s a matter of perspective. It doesn’t look so bad when you’re not the one doing the working.