I feel that setting up and administering Linux is still out of reach for most people. But for day to day use? Considering most of that is web browsing? It’s totally there.
I’m actually kinda astonished at how polished the GNOME desktop environment is
I would never recommend a Windows user KDE, they would think this Linux thing is much worse then Windows. KDE simply said is trash, a buggy mess beyond reason and a very poorly made Windows clone.
I think I know what you mean by “look like a Mac”, but there is no similarity beside that there is some kind of slim bar on the top and some kind of app icon thingy elsewhere on the screen. But then you could call Android “Mac” look either, or many of the interfaces designed in the time of the netbook craze which is where the Gnome 3 interface originated.
But ya know what, not even KDE makes me wanna smash my head against a wall until I pass out, only Windows can do that.
Some of us don’t have the time or the energy to bother with “learning” basic operations that have been solved for four decades. I don’t need to master the thing. I need it to be able to render more than a bare minimum VESA VGA desktop, read a USB HID, and connect to a network interface - without needing to leave the GUI. These things have been onerous tasks on Linux every time I’ve tried it. The only distro that’s reliably done all three of those incredibly basic things without needing a command line is Kali/Backtrack. And I don’t think I should run a pen test tool for day-to-day operations.
I put time into learning Haiku, because it worked. I’ve avoided FreeDOS because their tools are slower than those in MS-DOS or DR-DOS 1-7 (8.1, of course, used FreeDOS tools and caused a conflict).
And there’s also the case of some people disliking Stallman’s odious habits, and having a personal hatred (and the feeling being entirely mutual) for Linus Torvald. I’m in that category as well.
What issues do you have with KDE? It’s been solid for me for many years. The initial release of KDE 4 was a bit of a shitshow, but they hadn’t EOLed 3.5 at that point yet, and once they did, 4.X was solid.
Honestly KDE 4 > KDE 5. And every time I have to use the desktop on my steam deck, I wanna cry. Thankfully I have to less and less. Basically not at all anymore except for file management, that’s still a sore spot.
That would be fine, except that every professional job I’ve had, the office uses Windows - specifically MS Office, sometimes with an additional program for the industry or Tableau or a CRM. Same goes for every industrial place I worked at as an admin - except in cases where the OS was still DOS on the floor, it was always Windows on the production equipment (usually 9x). This was in the 7/10 transition days too, so it’s not eons ago.
The only place I ever saw Linux in use in an office was a “server” the owner’s nephew set up for a LAN and left running. Whenever there was an actual problem, he came in and rebooted the machine into Windows Server to actually diagnose and fix it. He just didn’t want anyone to know that the Linux side was there so that it had a command line with a bunch of data, so that the uncle didn’t get any funny ideas about fixing it himself.
Where did these misconceptions even come from… Linux is ideal for end users, many tools commonly used in professional work are only available on Windows
Linux is for industrial/professional work. Windows is for consumers.
Ironically it’s always industry folks who think consumers are idiots for using windows and not ‘learning’ Linux/Unix.
I feel that setting up and administering Linux is still out of reach for most people. But for day to day use? Considering most of that is web browsing? It’s totally there.
I’m actually kinda astonished at how polished the GNOME desktop environment is
Blink twice if you want me to call the police to rescue you.
Same for KDE, in fact, I would go as far as saying that most Windows users could find their way around KDE very easily within a matter of minutes.
I would never recommend a Windows user KDE, they would think this Linux thing is much worse then Windows. KDE simply said is trash, a buggy mess beyond reason and a very poorly made Windows clone.
All Linux interface options I’ve seen are basically crap. Either they look like a Mac, they’re too slow, or they make everything too damn fiddly.
Usually all three.
I think I know what you mean by “look like a Mac”, but there is no similarity beside that there is some kind of slim bar on the top and some kind of app icon thingy elsewhere on the screen. But then you could call Android “Mac” look either, or many of the interfaces designed in the time of the netbook craze which is where the Gnome 3 interface originated.
But ya know what, not even KDE makes me wanna smash my head against a wall until I pass out, only Windows can do that.
Funny. Any time I encounter trouble from Unix derivatives I get anxiety issues.
I’m anxious a lot lately around computers, and I’m only really happy with my older machine.
Skill issue. And thats fine, not everyone can master more then DOS and “Click this random executable downloaded from the web”.
Some of us don’t have the time or the energy to bother with “learning” basic operations that have been solved for four decades. I don’t need to master the thing. I need it to be able to render more than a bare minimum VESA VGA desktop, read a USB HID, and connect to a network interface - without needing to leave the GUI. These things have been onerous tasks on Linux every time I’ve tried it. The only distro that’s reliably done all three of those incredibly basic things without needing a command line is Kali/Backtrack. And I don’t think I should run a pen test tool for day-to-day operations.
I put time into learning Haiku, because it worked. I’ve avoided FreeDOS because their tools are slower than those in MS-DOS or DR-DOS 1-7 (8.1, of course, used FreeDOS tools and caused a conflict).
And there’s also the case of some people disliking Stallman’s odious habits, and having a personal hatred (and the feeling being entirely mutual) for Linus Torvald. I’m in that category as well.
What issues do you have with KDE? It’s been solid for me for many years. The initial release of KDE 4 was a bit of a shitshow, but they hadn’t EOLed 3.5 at that point yet, and once they did, 4.X was solid.
Honestly KDE 4 > KDE 5. And every time I have to use the desktop on my steam deck, I wanna cry. Thankfully I have to less and less. Basically not at all anymore except for file management, that’s still a sore spot.
That would be fine, except that every professional job I’ve had, the office uses Windows - specifically MS Office, sometimes with an additional program for the industry or Tableau or a CRM. Same goes for every industrial place I worked at as an admin - except in cases where the OS was still DOS on the floor, it was always Windows on the production equipment (usually 9x). This was in the 7/10 transition days too, so it’s not eons ago.
The only place I ever saw Linux in use in an office was a “server” the owner’s nephew set up for a LAN and left running. Whenever there was an actual problem, he came in and rebooted the machine into Windows Server to actually diagnose and fix it. He just didn’t want anyone to know that the Linux side was there so that it had a command line with a bunch of data, so that the uncle didn’t get any funny ideas about fixing it himself.
Where did these misconceptions even come from… Linux is ideal for end users, many tools commonly used in professional work are only available on Windows