Is PSL even strictly “pro-China” tho? Of course they have critical support for them as a multi-polar force and are very opposed to escalating tensions with them since PSL is anti-war. But I would imagine that the party still has its criticisms of Dengism in a purely ideological sense.

Didn’t the Republicans get a trifects in 2016 though? I seem to be Mandela effected or something, because I’m pretty sure they did, then dems won 2018 and got their owm “trifecta” im 2020 (unless you’re counting SCOTUS). It’s still really bad but it seems like it’s being talked about as a totally new circumstance.

It’s like looking into an abyss of concentrated incoherence. My mind is fried just reading their drivel put to text.

I saw it linked here on the site just a few months ago. Really sad if so.

Claudia is definitely hustling all over the country. She’s been holding events in lots of states at community centers and universities. Maybe she could have been flashier at some protests but PSL might not want to entangle their lead party candidate in anything with potential criminal consequences as they are still a smaller party than Greens and probably don’t have as substantial of a legal fund.

I do want to say that if people would rather vote for Green’s over PSL to try to reach the 5% threshold, I find that pretty reasonable. It would be great to have a real leftist 3rd party get the chance to actually callout dems and repubs directly. I’ve been more impressed with Hawkins’s writings than I expected, and so I will check out Green’s as well as PSL local chapters when I’m back in the states.

It’s sad to see S4A dying more and more on this hill. Just a few months ago they offered both Green’s and PSL as alternatives, but it seems like they doubled down and got very butthurt by commenters questioning their “anti-revisionism”. They keep posting a 2007 article from PSL’s Liberation School that was more critical on the CPC then their party line is today as proof that they “de-evolved”, but frankly I read through it and basically they just said that Dengism has sucked because it brought capitalism back to China but also that it would be disastrous for the CPC to lose power unless it were somehow replaced with another Communist revolution (which… ain’t gonna happen in the near future). So the conclusion was to remain critical but support the socialist tendencies that still exist.

The kicker is S4A literally used to work with the Green’s and then left because they viewed it as a dead-end, not-explicitly-socialist party. And now they are actually better to support than PSL because… PSL has a wrong line on China?

It’s especially stupid because an ideological disagreement in the US left about a foreign country’s challenges building socialism truly will not matter until far, far down the line, and that’s assuming we ever find a modicum of success.

Agreed, this bit is too good to give up.

Where’s the distinguishing line? Earnest question

, unless this is just a bit

I’ve never dated a woman more than 5 inches shorter than me, and this take just seems incredibly baffling to me. If I was much taller than I could have dated the same women and now it’s noncey?

Care to elaborate? She seemed okay in the Channel 5 interview. BTW I already voted

when I’m back in the states I’ll take a look at local Green’s actions as well as PSL I think. yes DSA has to end its tailism then maybe it has a chance to play a real role

I don’t think I’ve heard Jill make a remark on it. I’m not sure if this represents more of the Greens or just Ware having a bit of a moment. I listened to Howie Hawkins “case for an independent left party” the other day and was surprised with how outright socialist the text is. I’ve heard Greens are also a huge mixed bag depending on chapter.

Have you seen Socialism 4 All on YouTube? He’s a huge anti-Dengist and even made a community post the other day promoting the Green’s over PSL, saying in the comments that PSL are revisionists on China but should know better because of some 2007 article from their liberation school which is I guess harsher on China than they are now. I read some of the article and it seemed to be saying that capitalist restoration sucks, but that any replacement of the CCP would lead to a much worse situation for the Chinese people overall. And then goes into a historical and class analysis of why China ended up where it is. It’s annoying because he does great work making audiobooks for everything but he has BadEmpanada streamer syndrome in droves for sure.

It’s just parody at this point.

The extra history on Indonesia tells a very different story about how botched the Chinese intervention in Indonesia was. They ended up helping the original “usurper’s” son back to the throne because of several misunderstandings and deceits. Unless they are also oversimplified things.

And regarding the hospital example… I think in many well-planned cities there is probably going to be an ideal location near the primary public transportation hub to put something as important as that. If there are two large but disparate population centers in one city, then hopefully the democratic will says build two hospitals, not one shitty one in the middle away from both population centers or simply the one in either center that gets the most votes. Of course I agree choices will need to be made, I’m just interested in balancing these choices with optimal planning. So, if something is better than RCV that’s great, but I remain unconvinced that RCV isn’t already a good enough improvement to immediately jump all FPTP systems to in the interim.

TANS is exactly what I was thinking of. I’ll take another look at what he recommends direct democracy for.