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  • DarthFrodo@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.mlFunny how that happens
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    23 days ago

    But the majority of us loves our animals

    And when the milk production drops, the vast majority of dairy cows get their throat slit and their bodies sold for profit. I surely wouldn’t treat those that I love that way, but I guess animal farmers just have a very different concept of “loving animals” compared to people who have pets, for example.




  • We’ve already come a long way on price, thankfully. When I go to local supermarkets or discounters (Lidl, Kaufland, Aldi, Penny,…), the store brand meat alternatives are already as cheap as their factory farmed products. Same for the milk alternatives, soy yoghurts, and so on. So price parity has already been reached in many cases, at least here in Germany.

    I guess now the issue is that many of the discounter alternatives don’t taste the same as meat yet (although they’re getting better), and the premium plant-based products taste great, but are still more expensive than the cheapest meat products.


  • Serious question, what could possibly convince them?

    We all learnt about the atrocious living conditions on factory farms long ago. We all know that the meat industry is terrible for the environment and climate. We learnt about the avian flu being spread on cattle farms, with owners hiding the cases from the authorities, with 0 regard for public safety. We all know that migrants and children are systemically exploited by slaughterhouses, many get PTSD or become alcoholics, some get severely injured or die because of accidents.

    Yet after all of that, meat eaters still happily give their money to these places every time they go to a supermarket or restaurant.

    The meat industry got people so hooked on animal products that they can get away with basically anything, change my mind.






  • DarthFrodo@lemmy.worldtoVegan@lemmy.mlDouble A.
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    2 months ago

    With our current lifestyles, 7 billion humans aren’t sustainable for earth, which results in a lot of habitat destruction, pollution, climate change and so on. That’s what my analogy to deer overpopulation was getting at. Even if we had a global 1 child limit, it would take a few generations until an actually sustainable population is reached.

    If we have a right to live even though we cause so much destruction, it’s inconsistent to kill deer for causing way, way less damage than us.


  • DarthFrodo@lemmy.worldtoVegan@lemmy.mlDouble A.
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    2 months ago

    You wouldn’t need to sterilize more deer for population control than with hunting, obviously. You’d need to sterilize less in total because they’d still compete for food and habitat, just have no offspring. How is that unfeasible? I never said that you’d have to sterilize every single one lol, just enough to impact the fertility of their population in regions where its necessary due to human influence.


  • DarthFrodo@lemmy.worldtoVegan@lemmy.mlDouble A.
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    2 months ago

    If you have to choose between killing a crying child or killing an adult deer, which would you think is the more moral choice?

    What does that have to do with anything? Of course killing a human is worse, but that doesn’t mean that killing a deer isn’t cruel.

    Why don’t we spay entire wild populations of deer? :DD

    Well, we do this with hundreds of millions of pets and BILLIONS of livestock animals just to improve taste, and hunters already go around shooting them, surely there would be a practical way to tranquilize them and do a snip or something. This is an issue we’re responsible for after all, as you said. But yeah, there’s no profit and no tasty corpses to be gained so it’s not an option, I get it.

    Thanks for the laughs though, young city dweller

    I’m not sure why you felt the need to be a condescending prick by the way. Maybe basic decency and manners aren’t valued in your culture, so I’ll try not to judge your character based on that. Have a nice day anyways.


  • DarthFrodo@lemmy.worldtoVegan@lemmy.mlDouble A.
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    2 months ago

    When it is necessary. Humans have replaced the apex predators in a lot of places. If population control isn’t done with deer, the population skyrockets, gets out of control, and destroys the ecology, taking several species and the environment with it

    But all that applies to humans, and much more so. The harm done by deer overpopulation is completely and utterly dwarfed by the habitat destruction, pollution and climate change that our overpopulation causes. Based on your argumentation, hunting humans for population control is necessary and ethical.

    But of course nobody will apply the logic consistently because of how cruel it would be.

    Why don’t we implement more humane population control measures for deer, like spaying/neutering? It might have something to do with humans liking the taste of their dead bodies…


  • DarthFrodo@lemmy.worldtoVegan@lemmy.mlDouble A.
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    2 months ago

    (game meaf from necessary population control = ethical imo)

    At what point do you consider population control necessary? The inconvenient truth is that the worst instance of unsustainable overpopulation is us humans. No other species could come close to the harm and destruction we cause. Making special exceptions for ourselves while we are the worst offenders by far would be very hypocritical. If you consider population control ethical, you ought to consider school shootings, murder, etc. ethical as well.

    I think we need to find better solutions than going on killing sprees.



  • DarthFrodo@lemmy.worldtotumblr@lemmy.worldEggs
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    3 months ago

    Thanks for the elaborate response. It’s interesting how different considerations are at such remote places. Here in Germany, a place is generally considered “in the middle of nowhere” when the nearest small town is like 10 km away, and a 20 minute drive to the next supermarket is exceptional.

    The cultural differences between rural and urban regions here seem enormous already, I can’t even imagine what it’s like in the US.