Probably assholes who just hate femboys.

Wow you’re a transphobe too? fuck you dude.

It means to call someone trans in denial. It’s a big thing in communities like r/egg_irl and it can be quite toxic.

I guess it can be interpreted differently by different people. Though I do feel that at least in the original communities it is posted in on Reddit and Twitter it’s very likely it’ll be read as invalid or a poor excuse in general, rather than them covering their own motivations. I say that because in the Reddit versions (and a tiny bit the Twitter versions as well) there is generally more of a sentiment that gender non-conformity is a “sign” or are “signs” and they generally are very dismissive of reasons like the ones given. They have a poor record of following the egg prime directive and I have in fact seen on r/traa2 people blatantly shit talking it and saying they would never follow it 😬.

So while I do get that there can be different interpretations, a generalized one (the not so great one) and a personalized one (the better one) I do recognize the communities they were originally posted to on Reddit and Twitter, and I do know which ones they tend to gravitate towards.

I think that it would be significantly better had it been framed as an internal dialogue rather than external criticism. It might still be a bit problematic if it phrases the reasons given as invalid, rather than just not what it is for them, because even though to many people it feels like they said something stupid, they weren’t, those are valid, real reasons why people do it. The idea that the reasons aren’t valid as opposed to being simply not the reasons for themself in their case is also not great in the same way.

RIght but see, the problem is that this does make a statement that doing certain things makes you trans, whether it’s going for it or not. As I said in my response to @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social the behavior shown constitutes a violation of the egg prime directive because it makes assertions about another person’s gender identity. It also normalizes and to some extent encourages that behavior.

I don’t disagree with you that this community is for helping trans people come to terms, but I’m still not a fan of memes that normalize reinforcement of that idea in the way that is happening in this comic. As a GNC person it feels really shitty to be told that your gender identity is wrong by other people, whether direct or subtle. It’s one of the reasons for the egg prime directive in the first place.

Also the other character is committing blatant violations of the egg prime directive by deliberately questioning another person’s gender identity in response to the person saying why they like doing something. This is extremely disrespectful to that person and dismisses their identity. The biggest problem is that even though this is describing something internal for the person, it is normalizing something which is disrespectful to the identities of others.

I’m in agreement, I’m not a fan of this implication it really feels like it’s just enforcing gender stereotypes for no good reason. People should be able to play whatever character they find most appealing to them, whether that be functionally, aesthetically, or even sexual attractiveness.

Seriously, video games are one of the perfect mediums, we can play them how we want and make what we want out of them. This idea enforces an extremely restrictive perspective on a medium which ultimately is much more adaptive than any other form of narrative medium. Stop trying to attribute a deeper meaning to people using the assets and code in these make believe worlds the way they see fit as opposed to the way that was indended, or the way that YOU think it SHOULD be. (that last part was directed towards OP and people who believe the message of this post.)

Cracking someone else’s egg isn’t great, it violates the egg prime directive. People need to discover themselves on their own. I get that they say some people are “in-denial” and aren’t willing to come out but trying to force them will just make them resist harder, and make them want to do it less.
I feel like this meme must be satire in that regard, as these methods rarely work out as well as portrayed here.

Hello I’d love to help out the community, I am currently a mod on !egg_irl@lemmy.blahaj.zone and I also have experience modding back on Reddit as well.

When I was young I was very rebellious and did not follow gender stereotypes, I had long hair and I dyed the ends bright red. People (my teachers) didn’t really like that and they often would tell me I must be a girl because boys don’t do stuff like that. I find that kind of funny because I did a lot of terrible things that according to their sexist logic girls wouldn’t do (like severing my chromebook from their enterprise enrollment (twice with two separate Chromebooks) so I could do what I wanted). Few years later I was diagnosed with an androgen deficiency and I would need to take testosterone or wouldn’t continue developing properly. I didn’t actually take it both because it made me feel sick and also because all the shit my teachers were saying made younger me think I was going on E and it would make me a girl. So I just didn’t take it, and still haven’t, that’s future Riley’s problem.

Years later in 2021 towards the end I learned about Agender and Isogender and those really resonated with me so I started using those but I also never really stopped identifying with male and still very often use he/him pronouns.

Yeah seems like people always forget about transmascs for some reason.

Defederation evading?

That’s not a thing, people are allowed to be on multiple instances, if they weren’t that would go against the free and open nature of the Fediverse don’t you think?

I think that Isogender is still different from trans in different ways, even if some trans people have similar feelings of lack of AGAB relevance, Isogender people still aren’t trans because we don’t feel trans acurately describes us, it’s very much a self-identification type of thing, and since trans can have either very fine or very broad (up to all encompassing) definitions there can be a lot of overlap in similarities but they are still different modalities altogether.

Isogender is very rare so there aren’t very many accounts of the experiences of us, I’ve seen a handful of people talking about it but overall I only ever saw a handful of people on Reddit talking about it, and one, maybe two other people on the fediverse who identify as Isogender or one of the other Gender modalities.

I sort of understand the motivation, though - I think the most common meaning of trans I encounter strongly implies social and medical transition (along the lines of “transexual”, meaning people who transition to live as a different gender than they were assigned at birth). Someone who has some alignment with their AGAB might struggle to feel understood if they called themselves trans, for example, and that seems like a motivation for a new term (though I think a lot of people just use non-binary, genderqueer, or gender non-conforming in a case like that).

Yeah it has to do with differences in experience and identities. Even though there has been a lot of effort to expand and broaden ‘trans’ it still very much implies something that doesn’t resonate with a lot of these people, myself included, hence why other modalities exist.

That said, depending on the context trans may or may not have such a narrow definition. I often see it used as big tent umbrella term under which any gender non-conforming people belong, even otherwise cis-gendered and cis-sexual cross-dressers or drag performers. This is especially common among activists who rightfully are aware of the importance of political unity in fighting gender oppression and aligning disparate groups under a common banner.

I see the merit in that but at the same time I’m not really a fan of grouping people under one giant umbrella that also happens to be its own specific thing, i.e. there are trans people who are just trans, binary trans and nothing else. I think recognizing the differences in identities is just as important as the need to unify, and that’s why we added the Q+ to LGBT, for all those people with sexuality and gender identities that don’t necessarily align with the other 4 categories. Maybe to some this comes across as me trying to separate identities from trans, but I’m not, people can identify as trans if they feel its right for them, I just think they also should be able to not if it doesn’t and have that be respected and understood.

It does sound like you might be a femboy, not all femboys are into fem clothes but you could also be Nonbinary, there are NonBinaries who still use he/him.

Nope I’m happy the way I am, I used to be insecure about my appearance and wanted to look more like a real man (I look unusually young and androgynous due to a hormonal/genetic condition) but I don’t really feel that way anymore and am mostly okay with the way I am now.

I think the best way of describing isogender is people who don’t feel connection to assigned-gender (the gender designated to them) but also don’t feel trans, the concept of AGAB is irrelevant to their identity and how they identify.

I think it’s harder than to just say they either 100% are trans or 100% aren’t because there are people who identify as neither, as an example I’m Isogender. To say people 100% are is invalidating towards those who identify as neither, and to say they 100% aren’t invalidates those who identify as trans. The real answer is that it’s complicated and dependent on the person.

Very interesting, I will definitely look into that so I can do it when it happens.

I’m Agender and Isogender, definatey one of the more unique identities and gender modalities.