people are not using it to do better. They are instead outsourcing their own thoughts and imagination

Exactly, technology is eating society instead of society being contientious about its use of tech. I believe that the pendulum will eventually swing back and people will start to ration their use of technology, but until that happens, opting out will remain really hard and I don’t know how to work with that…

And yes, I agree that much of the ‘progress’ has been solutions to problems people didn’t know they had. (But this is only tangentialy related to my problem.)

Exactly. It’s not ‘progress’ and yet oftentimes you’re forced to go along with it.

Ahh true

I think that would count as smoking.

Ah, clever!

Yeah :-( Comedowns are the worst

Jesus was the first Christian without reading the Bible

Guys what should I do on cigarette breaks if I don’t smoke?

You honestly sound like the old fucks

I do, and that’s what concerns me. Because I’m only in my 20s. I could disconnect for a while, but I’m always going to have to return to society, whose constant changing caused this fatigue, eventually.

I think the thing that’s causing me the fatigue though is the constant change. For 000s of years people lived their whole lives with no technological change, whereas I’ve only been here for 2 decades and yet the world already works much differently than it did back then.

This is just the journey we’ve been on since the Industrial Revolution where the market decides what our new environment is for the sake of profit.

Well said

That’s the problem. Even if you want to be a Luddite, you have to do all the work for that yourself, because the entirety of society will be trying to pull you in the other direction :-/

Say you want the only computer you use to be an 80s computer: you can’t, because everything is online now. And society has since removed the adaptations that it had back then to an computer- and internet-less world.

The thing many people don’t even need their fridge to be smart in the first place

Similar story in the UK. The ruling party wants PR (the membership voted in favour), but the PM does not. It could still be forced through via a private members bill

Sleep deprivation is a proven (temporary) cure for depression. When I’m sleep deprived I also sometimes feel near euphoric

I swear the footsteps trigger a Pavlov response in me at this point. I can even tell who it is by the footsteps

The Amish are a good point. Unfortunately being a Luddite gets quite logistically hard of you still want to be part of society

Ah I see, IRV is still majoritarian meaning that a minority of votes still doesn’t get represented.

I don’t want my refrigerator connected to the internet

Yep

Try to buy a tv that isn’t a fucking smart tv, you just fucking can’t anymore.

This is what I’m on about, resisting is a loser’s game, even if you try it gets too hard :-(

what’s getting thrown at the wall.

Ah, well noticed. Yeah I guess a lot of the smart toasters etc is just the industry throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. You just reminded me how quickly 3D TVs disappeared after appearing.

Our lives do not need to be curated and polished into some technicolor madness.

Tell that to society 😩

But yes, we are definitely on the same page.

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