Yuval Mishory

@anantagd@ieji.de @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

You keep going back to describing how bad things are, when we’ve already agreed that it’s a bloody mess.

I’m trying to understand your endgame. If, as you say, it’s just a matter of time and there’s nothing to be done right now, why waste the time and energy on endless debates?

If, on the other hand, there’s some course of action that could change things for the better, what is it?

@anantagd@ieji.de @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

So… do nothing and wait? Easy enough.

@anantagd @appassionato @bookstodon @palestine

In a way you’re right. We can debate the fine details, but the observation is valid to some extent.

How does that help us? Is the solution to wait a few decades and hope for Gandalf to come and steer history in the right direction?

@anantagd@ieji.de @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

Needs to, has to, must… Those are slogans. Let’s get real.

The war in Gaza will probably end in a ceasefire that will not last. Where do we go from there? How do we break the cycle of bilateral violence?

If that ever happens, who should lead the Palestinians and what should they do to promote an independent and self-reliant Palestine?

@anantagd@ieji.de @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

Your first sentence - I’m not sure I understand exactly what you mean there. What has Israel blocked and how? What was the situation before 1948? Please clarify.

As for your suggested solution, can you elaborate on what needs to happen to bring about this utopia?

@anantagd@ieji.de @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

If that were true, it would have been resolved decades ago, one way or another.

But if you somehow have a new insight that explains the current quagmire both sides have dug themselves into, or you have some simple solution - I’m all ears. Don’t be shy.

@vmateusimeon@mastodont.cat @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

We’ve gone off-track, and in my experience social media discussions on these topics are pointless and get nowhere, so I’ll resist the urge to retort and leave it at that.

@vmateusimeon@mastodont.cat @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

In 19th century Europe, antisemitism manifested mainly in the persecution of Jews. If Arabs lived there, I’m sure they would’ve suffered the same fate as their Semite brothers.

AFAIK there were almost 2 million Israeli-Arabs and nearly 3 million Palestinians living in the west bank, so they’re not going anywhere soon.

Personally, it brings me no joy when another human suffers, and I pray that the endless violence will cease ASAP 🙏

@Sine_Nomine@mstdn.social @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

That’s one possible scenario, which stems from very certain debatable assumptions.

The problem with predicting the future is with the unknowns and the impact of seemingly inconsequential elements on the course of history. For example, the climate crisis will likely change the geopolitical situation in the middle east immeasurably. How would Israel cope? Hard to say decades in advance. It might emerge stronger, or take a hit.

@vmateusimeon@mastodont.cat @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

I’m using Google Translate to read your text, so I apologize for any miscommunication.

This conflict is territorial, religious, cultural and ethnic. To diminish the Zionist side of it to colonialism is a disservice to history, and ignores the history of antisemitism and nationalistic trends in 19th century in Europe, which influenced prominent Jewish leaders of the time.

This is just an example of the simplification I mentioned earlier.

@Kirilov @KarunaX @appassionato @bookstodon @palestine

From what Google says, Mr. Khalidi is an accomplished academic, and I have the utmost respect for his credentials.

As I wrote, the book may present a coherent and fact-based narrative that justifies the title and subtitle, but that would have to include some outstanding claims and evidence.

@vmateusimeon@mastodont.cat @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe

The conflict is long, multi-faceted, emotional, and very complex. Anyone who suggests it is simple to understand, let alone solve, either doesn’t know enough about history and the current geopolitical setup, or is trying to sell something.

Unfortunately, an honest examination of facts will get you nowhere in today’s culture of inch-deep discussions 😞

@KarunaX @appassionato @bookstodon @palestine

The choice of phrases such as “War on Palestine” and “Settler Colonial Conquest” suggests to me a bias. All historians are biased, of course, but this seems somewhat excessive for academic objectivity.

Then again, I haven’t read the book. Mr. Khalidi might present a well-constructed and fact-supported narrative that justifies the strong phrases on the cover, in which case I will gladly admit my mistake.

@appassionato @bookstodon @palestine
When the title and subtitle are so politically-skewed, I can’t imagine this book would give an objective overview of this complex and bloody conflict.