I swear you don’t even care about the answer, you just want to be “right.”

Some might consider that arguing in bad faith, but I consider that a blue herring.

  • JackGreenEarth
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    Have there ever actually been communist states? Sure, there have been states that called themselves communist, but that doesn’t mean they are. What any ‘communist’ country is that I can think of is never representative of what communism usually is, it’s usually some sort of dictatorship or oligarchy.

    Actual communism would be quite different.

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      As far as I know there never has been one. It is always Authoritarianism a the Communist mask. I have heard of a few small collectives which ad hear to communism to a greater or lesser degree, but only internally as they still operate in a capitalist county.

      Though I could see the argument for egalitarian tribal groups being communist, but that isn’t really a country.

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        It’s called the “dictatorship of the proletariat”.

        Marx described it, roughly, as the party temporarily adopting the garb of hierarchy to react quickly enough to suppress the last attempts of capital to undo their regression to the mean.

        More simply, when you depose the wealthy from power they’ll bankrupt themselves financially, and morally, trying to get back into it, instead of living life like everyone else. There is no low they won’t stoop. As the society transitions away from capitalism (which Marx said capitalism was a necessary step in social evolution), the dictatorship of the proletariat is to defend the revolution, and guard the transition over to communism, upon which it will dissolve itself. Modern thought generally throw’s socialism in as a step before full blown communism but that isn’t a distinction Marx made. The problem is that due to constant and continuously sabotage from the West, Lenin never felt he could dissolve his post, and Stalin never even tried to, just went full dictator.

        So communism was never achieved in the USSR, PRNK, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, or China. I think Cuba’s gotten the closest.

        So few people have ever willingly given up the reigns of power that they’re almost mythical to us now. I know of 2. Cincinnatus and George Washington. Both could have ruled for life and both choose the Republic over themselves.

        Putin and Xi both rewrote their laws to allow them to rule for life, the exact opposite, as contrary. The fall into autocracy doesn’t necessitate illegality, not if you have the legislating body, or the courts, in your pocket. The revolution will always be illegal tho, in any system. Power, as a general rule, doesn’t abdicate voluntarily, and when forced to it’s already too late (ie, Louis 16th, Czar Nicholas).

    • @rockerface
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      As someone who lives in a post Soviet country, that’s not even close to communism, judging from the memories of my older relatives. And that’s with them looking back with nostalgia