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      At the end of the day he’s a fragile human being who appears to suffer from moderately bad mental health issues. I’d argue that he is more of a symptom of something going wrong with our society than a cause, even if he does amplify certain undesirable viewpoints.

      If he didn’t exist some other charlaton would get niche internet celebrity status by making hot takes from a similar perspective.

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      He causes no harm to the people who don’t like him but he has helped thousands of young men sort their lives out and get their shit together. This has objectively made a huge positive impact in the world.

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          He became popular by resisting government mandate on speech. He haven’t harmed anyone. He’s literally a clinical psychologist whose job is to help people.

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              A quick google didn’t provide me with any information on that but I’m sure you will.

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                “An Ontario court ruled against popular clinical psychologist Dr. Jordan Peterson and is upholding an order for him to receive social media sensitivity training or lose his license to practice medicine… The court declared Dr. Peterson’s activities as harmful to the public and damaging to the profession of psychology, with his statements threatening to erode public trust… …He has not worked in clinical psychology since 2017,”

                Article from August 2023 https://leaders.com/news/public-speaking/jordan-petersons-appeal-denied-requires-training-for-medical-license/

                Behind the bastards podcast on JP https://youtu.be/v9zjjj8NP3g?si=_YSIx7AjAH4p-g3O

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                  I don’t see it saying anywhere that he has lost his licence or harmed anyone. He doesn’t even do clinical work anymore.

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                    Agree he hasn’t lost his license yet, as that is currently what is being threatened if he does not comply with the court order. Hasn’t actually happened yet, just will if he doesn’t.

                    As for being harmful… I don’t know how to spell this out any simpler than the quote so I’ll just make it easier to read I guess?

                    **THE COURT DECLARED DR. PETERSON’S ACTIVITIES AS HARMFUL TO THE PUBLIC AND DAMAGING TO THE PROFESSION OF PSYCHOLOGY **

                    I’m really not what there is to misunderstand, he is under threat of losing his license because his actions are HARMFUL TO THE PUBLIC AND THE PROFESSION OF PSYCHOLOGY

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            he became popular by resisting exaggerating and misrepresenting a government mandate restriction on hate speech

            fixed that for you

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              he encourages the idea that physical fun time is a human right

              Care to elaborate on this? I’ve listened probably 20 hours of him talking but I don’t remember him saying anything like this. To me his core message seems to be that stop blaming the world for your issues and instead look in the mirror and sort your own life out first. He even became famous as the “clean your own room before you go out fixing the world” dude.

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                I said that euphemistically, but he’s quite famous for his teachings regarding the community known as incels which he describes as having been failed by society, mentioning his notion that they would be satisfied if society was built according to ideal conditions, which implies what they want should be a given, with incels being predominantly men, most of whom are self-convinced into thinking their situation is more than happenstance and almost never based on their own prior social conduct.

                The belief in inherent entitlements and obligations, especially when they’re not even balanced, is the biggest reason society has succumbed so hard in the first place, which he even says when it doesn’t involve the interests of his target audience, yet in any discussion on sexuality, including asexuality, which his dismissal of is feeding into some of how we’re treated in the world, you’ll find him bringing up this train of thought.

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                  The quote you linked is not from Jordan Peterson but a random twitter user called “TYL80737692”

                  If you want to know JP’s thought on incels you can look it up and hear it from the man himself rather than look for someone to intrepret it for you and add their own spin to it.

                  From the comments of the first video: “It’s ironic that mainstream media slandered Jordan Peterson as “King of the incels” when he routinely tells men that if women don’t find them attractive - it’s not the women’s fault - but men’s fault, and it’s each man’s responsibility to fix it.”

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                    I did, and I’m who I linked to on Twitter (forgot Twitter replies are often unattainable). The comment on the first video goes against his own words in other parts of his wisdom. You don’t have to even be politically aligned against him to gather that it’s a populist game, he is the Dr. Phil or Supernanny of politics.