• orphiebabyEnglish
    1511·
    2 months ago

    I’d be opening up a can of worms that I’m not sure I have the mental energy to organize, source, and talk about in length right now. I will say that if you’ve found a tolerant and science-accepting vegan group, that’s super awesome and honestly not as common as it should be.

    Here’s a few veeeery summarized points:

    1. Humans are not made for veganism. It can be dangerous and make you very sick, so you need a lot of education on nutrition and a lot of non-natural dietary supplements to make it work. Because of this, forcing veganism on children is also considered child abuse by law in some countries. Either way, you should always talk to your doctor.
    2. Healthy veganism is a privileged diet. The logistics for growing, transporting, and preserving food for a vegan diet balanced enough to not get sick is a big deal, and everything gets expensive and out-of-reach for many. If veganism isn’t an option for everyone, non-vegan practices will always be a thing. In which case, vegans shouldn’t be snobs towards non-vegans.
    3. Grazing animals are actually very important to healthy soil and crops. And that means controlling where they graze. And at that point, you’re going against what a lot of vegans stand for. And honestly, at that point just use the animals for meat, too.
    4. Vegans often condone practices that are unhealthy to humans or animals, and that kill off a lot of animals in order to sustain their agriculture. Not to mention the absolute need for pesticides to sustain large populations, and pesticides can kill off a lot of things on their own. Veganism is (usually) about not harming animals, but agriculture always kills a lot of animals; so one like myself will argue why many vegans are such snobs towards non-vegans, as if veganism is more “pure” than non-veganism
    • iiGxC@slrpnk.net
      116·
      2 months ago
      1. The average vegan diet is safer/less deficient than the standard american diet. Most major diet orgs agree a well planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of human life
      2. The cheapest foods are vegan - grains, legumes, starches. and they get you the majority of the way to a balanced diet. It’s not that hard or expensive to get from them to a 100% well rounded diet
      3. Just let the grazing animals live please. Live and let live, so long as it harms none do what you wish, etc. Buffalo/etc don’t need humans to make them go to certain spots to graze
      4. most crops go towards feeding animals in animal agriculture. Less crop deaths is better, so if you actually want to reduce them you should go vegan and/or grow your own food

      i agree that many vegans have wacky/woowoo/incorrect beliefs and it’s a real shame, but a broken clock is right twice a day

        • iiGxC@slrpnk.net
          75·
          2 months ago
          1. I don’t have time to look up the research on this stuff, I know that last I checked the first point is documented on the wikipedia page for veganism (i.e. It links to the statement by the dietetic orgs).
          2. It’s not hard or very costly to get from those to a complete diet without animal products
          3. I don’t know enough about to say with certainty, but I’m pretty sure most farmland is not grazed.
          4. should be pretty easy to find info on, look up how much of our crops go to animal feed. If I’m wrong I’m happy to read studies that show we don’t do that, but the studies I’ve read inform my position. Due to how trophic levels work, animal products are always going to be an inefficient source of calories