Only US citizens can vote in US federal elections. That is a federal restriction which is not impacted by this.
This is adding an additional requirement to show proof of citizenship before even being allowed to cast a vote.
According to this, people cannot vote for local or state level issues if they do not show a passport, birth certificate, certificate of citizenship, or other such document. Pretty sure drivers licenses and state issues IDs are not proof of citizenship, so a lot of people are probably going to be surprised when they show up and are not allowed to vote for governor, state legislature, etc because they don’t have the right documentation.
Does any country require proof? In Canada you just need an ID that confirms your name and address. No proof of citizenship is necessary. It’s illegal for a non citizen to vote, but proof isn’t necessary in order to vote.
The reason proof isn’t required is because Canada doesn’t issue proof of citizenship to all citizens. How can the government require people provide proof of citizenship if the government doesn’t ensure all citizens have proof of citizenship?
Those look like immigration records. Natural born citizens wouldn’t be found there. The page also says the records aren’t proof of citizenship but oddly can be used for employment or government purposes (I’m not sure what other purposes you’d use it for?).
No list is needed since someone is a Canadian citizen if they meet the definition in the Citizenship Act, not if their name is on a list.
This is a guess, but I am assuming that when people register to vote (since that is not automatic, but rather an opt-in right in the United States), the person’s information is sent to the local board of elections that can perform a search for the citizenship status of that individual.
I would expect the Arizona to already know if an individual is a citizen or not, so this requirement is more about preventing votes rather than securing the integrity of the voting process.
I was thinking more that the documentation provided when registering to vote would be verified, not that a person would be looked up in a large centralized list.
But that was just a guess, the board of elections may just ruberstamp all requests for all I know about their processes.
Only US citizens can vote in US federal elections. That is a federal restriction which is not impacted by this.
This is adding an additional requirement to show proof of citizenship before even being allowed to cast a vote.
According to this, people cannot vote for local or state level issues if they do not show a passport, birth certificate, certificate of citizenship, or other such document. Pretty sure drivers licenses and state issues IDs are not proof of citizenship, so a lot of people are probably going to be surprised when they show up and are not allowed to vote for governor, state legislature, etc because they don’t have the right documentation.
This makes voting more restrictive, not less.
How do you check that they are citizens without proof of citizenship?
Does any country require proof? In Canada you just need an ID that confirms your name and address. No proof of citizenship is necessary. It’s illegal for a non citizen to vote, but proof isn’t necessary in order to vote.
The reason proof isn’t required is because Canada doesn’t issue proof of citizenship to all citizens. How can the government require people provide proof of citizenship if the government doesn’t ensure all citizens have proof of citizenship?
We dont actually have a list of citizens. There is no way of knowing without proof of citizenship. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/the-supreme-courts-big-data-problem-118568/
Canada does have a list of citizens, thats the difference.
I’ve never heard of that. I’d be interested if you have a source.
https://library-archives.canada.ca/eng/collection/research-help/genealogy-family-history/immigration/pages/citizenship-naturalization.aspx
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/proof-citizenship/search-records.html
Those look like immigration records. Natural born citizens wouldn’t be found there. The page also says the records aren’t proof of citizenship but oddly can be used for employment or government purposes (I’m not sure what other purposes you’d use it for?).
No list is needed since someone is a Canadian citizen if they meet the definition in the Citizenship Act, not if their name is on a list.
This is a guess, but I am assuming that when people register to vote (since that is not automatic, but rather an opt-in right in the United States), the person’s information is sent to the local board of elections that can perform a search for the citizenship status of that individual.
I would expect the Arizona to already know if an individual is a citizen or not, so this requirement is more about preventing votes rather than securing the integrity of the voting process.
We dont actually have a list of citizens. There is no way of knowing without proof of citizenship. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/the-supreme-courts-big-data-problem-118568/
I was thinking more that the documentation provided when registering to vote would be verified, not that a person would be looked up in a large centralized list.
But that was just a guess, the board of elections may just ruberstamp all requests for all I know about their processes.
SSN
SSN doesn’t prove citizenship.
Please explain. The question is how do you prove citizenship without proof of citizenship. One way would be SSN.
Obviously it’s not officially recognized as proof of citizenship, but that wasn’t the question.
Anyone eligible for work in the US is provided with a SSN because all workers pay taxes and SSN are used to track tax payments.
Yeah see at least there you’re proving you’re allowed to be here and work legally.
Never said it was perfect, but to my knowledge it’s the best alternative, which is the question I was answering.
SSN doesn’t prove citizenship. My friend has a social and she isn’t a citizen.
Once again, that wasn’t the question.
The question was how can it be proved without proof?
That’s probably the next best answer.
If you disagree, what alternative would you suggest?
Passports show citizenship
Passports also cost money. Using those would effectively paywall voting.
Or the US Government could start paying for it from our taxes and provide one to everyone.
You also need proof of citizenship to get a passport, so it’s not much of a solution here.