• NeuromancerOPM
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    You said most people. That’s is something that needs a citation. Otherwise it should read your opinion which is meaningless since it doesn’t back data.

    You isn’t give a citation. I’ve noticed in lemmy people don’t understand what a citations is or how to give one.

    A citation is not your opinion of something but an actual documented source that says that with a link and the most relevant section pasted in the body.

    Now if it’s general topic, the just the link is fine.

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      Here you go: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7434061/

      This is a study on consumer shopping behaviors for health insurance, including reasons why a consumer is or isn’t happy with an insurance plan, what they value and what determines their enrollment.

      What trips most people up and leaves them unsatisfied with their coverage are the costs for necessary coverage and the actual coverage they end up with.

      If you disagree can you cite a source for me that says the majority of people enjoy overpaying for healthcare coverage compared to other country populations, that oftentimes refuses to pay out?

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        The study has nothing to do with your claim. I should explain citations should be relevant to the topic. Just citing random things doesn’t validate a discussion.

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          That’s your opinion, I think this is a perfectly valid representation of how a US citizen purchases a healthcare plan and their feelings on that process and their coverage.

          We can agree to disagree here.

          Now can you show me a citation that shows the inverse?

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            It isn’t my job to prove your claim. The cite doesn’t say what you claim. I have yet to see a poll to say profit is the reason people are unhappy with the system. Cost is an issue but that isn’t tied just around profit. Our staff is payed much higher than the rest of the world and we are more litigious as well.

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              I’m not asking you to prove my claim. I’m asking you to show me contrary evidence. I provided some and you didn’t like it, so show me what good evidence looks like.

              By “staff” you mean executives, right? How else do they get the money for their salary and bonuses?

              https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/guides/which-health-insurance-ceos-get-the-highest-pay-467513.aspx#:~:text=Joseph Zubretsky%2C Molina Healthcare&text=Zubretsky tops the list%2C receiving,compensation%2C reaching almost %2415 million.

              How does a healthcare company CEO make over $20M a year when they’re not exploiting their customers by artificially inflating costs? Couldn’t that $20M have helped subsidize the cost of their care provided instead?

              Pharmaceutical companies do the same thing. When their motivation is profit it becomes their focus. Their product is secondary. That’s a problem when it’s healthcare or education, which are both qualitative things that benefit society to have.

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                Staff. Doctors. Nurses. Respiratory therapist. Staff. Not management. Our staff makes considerably more than anyone else in the world

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                  Hospital staff costs alone are not what drives pharma or health insurance prices up, and has nothing to do with how much the executives of those companies make.

                  A hospital CEO makes on average about $180k in the US, less than a software developer.

                  Other countries without as exploitative of a healthcare system are also able to staff their hospitals and provide healthcare at a lower cost as well, so again your argument doesn’t actually account for the exorbitantly high prices we pay in the US.

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                    Hospital staff costs alone are not what drives pharma or health insurance prices up

                    Yes it does. If the staff cost more; they have to charge more to even break even. That’s simple logic.

                    You think wages don’t drive cost of healthcare ?