• Pistcow
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        6 months ago

        Should have gotten rid of the fillinuster when they had the chance.

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            6 months ago

            Some do, some don’t. Unfortunately the margin is too small to overrule the ones that don’t (Manchin/Sinema first). Also, makes no sense to nuke the filibuster if there is no meaningful progressive legislation coming out of the House.

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              6 months ago

              Unfortunately the margin is too small to overrule the ones that don’t (Manchin/Sinema)

              And when they stop standing in the way, other designated road blocks will be in the way of progress with the blessing of the neoliberals in charge of the party.

              Everyone in the party leadership demonizes progressives when they try to exert what little power they have to improve bills, but when conservatives like Manchin get in the way, they say it’s necessary for the blue majority and give him the pen used to sign the bill he gutted.

              makes no sense to nuke the filibuster

              It always does. It’s inherently undemocratic and a hindrance to progress just as much as election tampering is. Especially when the Dem leadership keep using it as an excuse to not faithfully represent their constituency.

              there is no meaningful progressive legislation coming out of the House

              That is by design by the Dem House leadership as much as the Republicans.

              Pelosi actively fought anything and everyone to the left of her beloved Blue Dog/Third Way conservatives to the best of her ability, her allies still dominate most committees and her protégé Jeffries hates the left even more.

              I disagree that they’re identical to the literal fascists on the other side of the aisle, but when it comes to left wing candidates and policies, the Ratchet Effect is very much active, has been since the 70s if not longer.

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                6 months ago

                Pretty cynical take ( perhaps justified). I have the more positive take that most of the left-of-center legislation that passed the house under Pelosi would have pass the Senate if the majority did not depend on the two Dinos. Maybe indeed some other roadblocks would have arisen, but in any case it’s somewhat unfair to blame Pelosi, when the roadblocks were clearly in the Senate.

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                  most of the left-of-center legislation that passed the house under Pelosi would have pass the Senate if the majority did not depend on the two Dinos.

                  And if not for that, Pelosi wouldn’t have let it pass the House. She was never in the business of furthering a center left agenda.

                  Her job, now that of Jeffries, was to make a bunch of performative gestures and campaign acts to make it LOOK like the Dem leadership is on the side of the people and then legislate on behalf of the rich and powerful people who bribe both parties.

                  it’s somewhat unfair to blame Pelosi, when the roadblocks were clearly in the Senate.

                  Yeah, it was CLEARLY someone in the Senate who, in spite of over 60% of the population being in favor of it at the time, successfully did everything she could to kill “the Green New Dream or whatever” 🙄

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      I think that shows Jeffries should not say the quiet thing out loud. Johnson is cooperating on stuff that is first-order essential (preventing shutdown/foreign relations) and that would normally pass the House essentially uncontested. The only reason these votes are controversial is that the GOP has turned traitor.

      The current bills are nothing like what passed in the House under the speakership of Pelosi (unfortunately most of those bills did not pass in the Senate).