• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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      So now we’re pulling out the propaganda pieces. This would be the first time I’ve ever heard of the US bombing civilians excavating Raqqa. That’s just not corroborated anywhere. Even Amnesty International blames ISIS for holding the civilians there. They also put the civilian death toll at 1,500, which is a bloody miracle if there were 25,000 civilians being held hostage in the city.

      The closest thing I could find is a relief web article saying the US didn’t help civilians evacuate. Which isn’t surprising because that’s not something that happens unless you’re the defending military. And then it’s usually actually the police and first responders anyways.

      And I’m not surprised 80 percent of the city was destroyed. The only enemy left were the ISIS fighters that had mentally prepared themselves to die fighting. They weren’t going to let a single inch of ground go uncontested.

      Edit to add - You still haven’t explained how that would be a genocide either though. There was a massive evacuation of civilians before the siege started. It’s a city of 500k-750k people.

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        I’ve linked you an article where you can learn about the US military ‘shooting every boat they saw crossing the river’. I can imagine you haven’t really heard about the details of the siege of Raqqa because, well, most people didn’t want to know. There’s a lot you can find though, same goes for sieges like Mosul or Fallujah: a final siege against a dug in enemy is never going to be pretty. White phosporous, thermobaric weapons, … War crimes. It’s either that or a lot more casualties for the attackers.

        And regarding your final paragraph: Israel is encouraging massive evacuation of civilians as well. It’s not like they’re not letting anyone out of Rafah, it’s just that Egypt is not letting any refugees through (unless they pay) which results in them running around in circles. But rest assured that they would not have let Raqqa ‘of the hook’ if those civilians hadn’t left

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          Lmao no they aren’t. They designated a tiny area, and they don’t allow them to leave Gaza. Then they keep attacking into the area they forced them to move to. When you allow people to evacuate you do so to a non combat area.

          And again. That’s not corroborated anywhere. Groups like Amnesty International have no problem coming after the US.

          You’re also still not talking about the 95 percent of Raqqa that was evacuated. If that was a genocidal act they would not have been allowed to do so.