• intensely_human
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    Isn’t the goal of a soccer tournament to score goals?

    No, the goal of each team, in a game, is to score goals.

    The goal of the soccer tournament is to create a space in which teams of players can play soccer.

    This is to answer your first question.

    No the goal of capitalism is not to control the government. Even for the individual players, the goal is more like “whatever goal you want”, which is why it’s called a free market: you get to act according to your own values.

    And for capitalism per se, if it has any goals, the goal is to enable people to pursue their own goals. “Capitalism” though doesn’t really have goals. It’s like “sunny weather”. Capitalism is a set of circumstances.

    A government who is working to maintain a free market, which is the closest I can find to what you’re asking, has the goal of enabling success for its citizens.

    Basic idea is the goal of the player is not the same as the goal of those administering the game. Dungeon Master’s goal is not to complete the quest; it’s to enable the quest.

    And as an individual, my personal goal is not to control government. My goal is to provide value, and if I ruin the consent component of my business dealings, by forcing people into trades with me, then I fail at my goal because I stop getting feedback about what’s valuable.

    How is this not an aspect?

    I didn’t say it’s not an aspect. I said it’s no more an aspect than the bones are an aspect.

    If you want to argue that a family pet is basically the same as a rock, because its final state behaves the same way as a rock, you can, but it’s a waste of energy and yields no understanding.

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      29 days ago

      All I’m getting from this is two things:

      • Free Markets need to be regulated

      • Capitalism is the process not the outcome, and you can’t blame the sausage factory for making a sausage. The factory is just a set of circumstances that happens to produce sausages

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        29 days ago

        If we’re using a factory and sausages as the analogy,

        • Capitalism is a factory that makes sausages
        • It eventually degrades into an abandoned building that produces wildlife

        So yes capitalism is a process. I mean, it’s a situation where a process can take place. A free market is a situation in which free trade can take place.

        Capitalism is also an outcome, of an upstream process which is establishing the free market.

        Markets are naturally free when there isn’t much power differential between people, ie when coercion is difficult, expensive, and dangerous.

        As civilization gets more and more advanced, the amount of power an individual or group can have over others grows, and more government input is necessary to maintain the free market.

        This government activity to maintain the free market (ie prevent market domination) includes:

        • trust busting
        • truth in advertising laws
        • preventing individuals from coercing other individuals
        • punishing theft

        So yes. Capitalism takes energy to maintain — again, like all things — and is a process more than an outcome. But it’s also the outcome of other processes.