Hezbollah attacked Israel on the 8th of October and supported Hamas attacking and kidnapping civilians on the 7th October.
Iran is actively supporting conflicts in the Middle East, Europe and Africa.
So either we start talking about the religious fanatics or we just accept the USA as the world police and we should just do as they tell us to do.
I’m m ok with you rewriting it as long as you agree that Israel was attacked by Hezbollah on the 8th and that Hezbollah supports, not condemning, the war crimes of Hamas on the 7th.
On 8 October 2023, the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, taking advantage of the Israel–Hamas war, fired guided rockets and artillery shells at Israeli positions in the occupied Shebaa Farms. Israel retaliated by launching drone strikes and artillery shells at Hezbollah positions near Lebanon’s boundary with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. The outbreak of the conflict had followed Hezbollah’s declaration of support and praise for the Hamas attack on Israel, which took place on 7 October.
That Wikipedia article is written like pure Zionist propaganda and it still doesn’t say that Hezbollah attacked israel.
the occupied Shebaa Farms.
Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
Because no matter how many fluff words you include, the Golan Heights are not part of israel and those NaziDF members have absolutely no right to be there.
Just because Hezbollah are not atheists does not make them religious fanatics. Sure, they talk about God every sentence but that’s just traits from being Muslims. There are Muslims who pray for safety before going into a bathroom. Muslims generally call on God for everything; even where it wouldn’t make sense to a Jew, Christian, atheist, etc.
If they were less religious, would you be OK for them defending their land more? You are failing into a trap that the Muslims defending themselves are doing it through religious fanaticism. You are falling into pro-Zionism propaganda. They just happen to be Muslims who are defending themselves while trying to process their actions internally in a way that fits their identity. It’s not a religious war; it’s Levantine people vs non-Levantine people.
I wasn’t the one talking about religious fanatics, I was criticizing the person talking about them. Maybe you should reply to the person I replied to rather than berate me for what I didn’t say and they did.
It does for the genocide denying Zionists whose ONLY goal is to convince people that the actions of the Israeli government are justified. I suspect that the one you originally addressed was one of them, if not just a thoroughly gaslighted useful idiot 🤷
Again, I agree with you. But OP made the implication that if we just talked this out, then there would be no war there and I wanted to nip that in the bud from the source before we even got into whether or not the OP was being disingenuous.
I feel like the best way to attack such things is by talking about how they are illogical or irrational arguments irrespective of the intentions of the person making them.
Thank you for this comprehensive account of all the events that have led to the current situation and for presenting us with the only two options available.
I know you think you prices something there but if you were right there wouldn’t have been any mass protests with thousands of people demonstrating against how Israel is currently acting.
When did you see anything like that against Hamas in Gaza?
Either Hamas, which were elected to govern in Gaza, represents the Palestinian people or Hamas rules with an iron fist, effectively oppressing the Palestinians right to express their opinions.
What you fail to understand is that Israel is a foreign colonial force and therefore has no right to self defense or to even exist. The only religious fanatics are the Zionist invaders who are trying to fulfill Iron Age mythologies about a Promised Land.
Hezbollah attacked Israel on the 8th of October and supported Hamas attacking and kidnapping civilians on the 7th October.
Iran is actively supporting conflicts in the Middle East, Europe and Africa. So either we start talking about the religious fanatics or we just accept the USA as the world police and we should just do as they tell us to do.
I’d personally prefer the former…
Hezbollah did not attack israel on October 8.
Hezbollah attacked terrorists colonizing the Golan Heights. Those terrorists are illegally occupying Syrian land in violation of international law.
I’m m ok with you rewriting it as long as you agree that Israel was attacked by Hezbollah on the 8th and that Hezbollah supports, not condemning, the war crimes of Hamas on the 7th.
No israel attacked Hezbollah this has just been clearly explained and is not disputed.
Hezbollah defended itself against israeli aggression.
Please elaborate and feel free to edit Wikipedia:
On 8 October 2023, the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, taking advantage of the Israel–Hamas war, fired guided rockets and artillery shells at Israeli positions in the occupied Shebaa Farms. Israel retaliated by launching drone strikes and artillery shells at Hezbollah positions near Lebanon’s boundary with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. The outbreak of the conflict had followed Hezbollah’s declaration of support and praise for the Hamas attack on Israel, which took place on 7 October.
That Wikipedia article is written like pure Zionist propaganda and it still doesn’t say that Hezbollah attacked israel.
Because no matter how many fluff words you include, the Golan Heights are not part of israel and those NaziDF members have absolutely no right to be there.
I don’t want Israel and Hezbollah to go to war, but what will ‘talking about the religious fanatics’ achieve?
Just because Hezbollah are not atheists does not make them religious fanatics. Sure, they talk about God every sentence but that’s just traits from being Muslims. There are Muslims who pray for safety before going into a bathroom. Muslims generally call on God for everything; even where it wouldn’t make sense to a Jew, Christian, atheist, etc.
If they were less religious, would you be OK for them defending their land more? You are failing into a trap that the Muslims defending themselves are doing it through religious fanaticism. You are falling into pro-Zionism propaganda. They just happen to be Muslims who are defending themselves while trying to process their actions internally in a way that fits their identity. It’s not a religious war; it’s Levantine people vs non-Levantine people.
I wasn’t the one talking about religious fanatics, I was criticizing the person talking about them. Maybe you should reply to the person I replied to rather than berate me for what I didn’t say and they did.
Looks like you’re right. Taking another look at your conversation, it seems you were arguing with a Hasbera (is that how its spelled).
Nothing except for deflection of blame for the many war crimes of the fascist apartheid regime of Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir and Smotrich.
I agree that’s where the blame lies, but even if they were right and the problem was religious fanaticism, talking about it achieves nothing.
It does for the genocide denying Zionists whose ONLY goal is to convince people that the actions of the Israeli government are justified. I suspect that the one you originally addressed was one of them, if not just a thoroughly gaslighted useful idiot 🤷
Again, I agree with you. But OP made the implication that if we just talked this out, then there would be no war there and I wanted to nip that in the bud from the source before we even got into whether or not the OP was being disingenuous.
I feel like the best way to attack such things is by talking about how they are illogical or irrational arguments irrespective of the intentions of the person making them.
Thank you for this comprehensive account of all the events that have led to the current situation and for presenting us with the only two options available.
I could write my comment since I live in a democracy with freedom of speech… something I would not be able to do if I lived in Gaza because of Hamas.
You wouldn’t be able to in Israel either.
I know you think you prices something there but if you were right there wouldn’t have been any mass protests with thousands of people demonstrating against how Israel is currently acting.
I’m pretty sure 150000 people wouldn’t be able to demonstrate and publicly say things like “All of the rats in Hamas”, “Crime Minister” and “Stop the War” and get away with it unharmed.
When did you see anything like that against Hamas in Gaza?
Either Hamas, which were elected to govern in Gaza, represents the Palestinian people or Hamas rules with an iron fist, effectively oppressing the Palestinians right to express their opinions.
You can’t have it both ways.
What you fail to understand is that Israel is a foreign colonial force and therefore has no right to self defense or to even exist. The only religious fanatics are the Zionist invaders who are trying to fulfill Iron Age mythologies about a Promised Land.
“The only religious fanatics are the Zionist…”
Yeah, I’m pretty sure millions of women in Iran beg to differ.