Even the teamsters are showing up.

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    4 months ago

    Did you ever read that? Nowhere does he say he hates Conservatives. He’s talking about slavery.

    Lincoln is a well known conservative

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      4 months ago

      Read the first fucking sentence, genius. He’s referring to slavers who call themselves conservatives.

      Real Westworld moment here.

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          Because you know I’m right.

          Lincoln hated conservatives and slavers- one and the same in his time. I gave you a primary source.

          Lincoln is only a “well known conservative” to people who listen to grifters and liars.

          You’ve incapable of refuting the facts laid before you, so you run away like you always do while claiming that you’re correct.

          Conservatism is built on a pile of bullshit.

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            I just documented historians who disagree with you and explain why you didn’t understand what you read. Lincoln disliked democrats as they were the slavers. I refuted the facts but you refuse to read the information provided. Now have a good evening

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              Well I just gave you Lincoln’s own speech and you choose to listen to propagandists instead.

              Could you not understand it?

              You refuted nothing- you drive-by fired a Wikipedia article at me that you didn’t even read because you’re lazy and haven’t been told how to respond to this because the fake historians you listen to don’t want to mention it.

              How very postmodern of you to insist on your own reality.

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                I’m really confused by people like this who follow their “Red Team” so blindly, they don’t even care to understand the origins of their own party, or what the terms “Conservative” and “Liberal” actually mean.

                But fuck learning history, right? Who needs it?

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                  They don’t care about facts, it’s always about controlling the conversation; they’ll sacrifice everything to that end, including their own judgement, edification, and dignity.

                  Reactionary politics is always about maintaining power for the privileged.

                  They believe there is no higher good than to fulfill the role bestowed upon you by your betters: it’s why they all lick the boots of cops who put those uppity minorities in their place. It’s why the “never Trumpers” started out reviling Donald Trump until he won and proved to them that he deserves to rule. It’s why the KKK terrorized black folks who rose above their station. It’s why they fought for school segregation. It’s why they opposed women’s liberation, abortion, and now birth control. It’s why they want to transfer wealth to the already obscenely rich. It’s why they ruined innocent people’s careers during the Red Scares. It’s why they oppose unions and strikes. It’s why they want to end public schooling. It’s why they kept locking up black men in chain gangs after slavery was (mostly) outlawed. It’s why they object to prison reform. It’s why they are opposed to welfare programs.

                  Everything about the reactionary right makes sense when viewed from this perspective.

                  Lincoln noted the same lack of substance behind conservative arguments in that quote above; reactionaries have always been this way.