Yeah, it just so happens that said propaganda is authoritarian communist in nature, always talking about dragging landlords and “right wing people” (read: those that support capitalism rather than communism, meaning you if you think “shooting people they don’t like” is bad) out of their homes and shooting them in the street, with not even so much as a distinction between large firms and the sweet and nice capitalist pig Mabel who used to rent the punk house to us and was really cool about it. They literally say after we kill all the people who disagree we can transition to the classless stateless society we call “trve communism.”
We can play “no true Scotsman” all we want but if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and wants to kill people, it’s probably a duck that wants to kill people. Tankies are communists (but not all communists are tankies), they’re just “bad.” Yes, communists can be bad, communism isn’t “when good.” They want to usher in communism through abhorrent acts. We may know that is impossible, but they do not, they unironically think they’ll cede power “when the time comes.”
Instead I think it’s pragmatic to recognize that they are communists but as with ice cream there are many flavors of communism, they are neither the “only” flavor nor do we agree with their violent flavor, opting instead for a diplomatic approach. To deny makes us seem either naive or willfully ignorant, to acknowledge but distance appears more level headed.
Except many of them really aren’t communists. Sure there are some genuine communists and some useful idiots, but most of it is a facade for propaganda.
Can you back that claim up with anything other than “Nuh uh, real communists are like me!” or are we just pretending/conveniently using their status as losers to say “but they haven’t accomplished anything?”
Go look at their content. Most of them aren’t trying to spread communis. If they believed in it they’d be trying to persuade others of their views, but its much more common to see strawman attacks and low effort group think.
Of course, I don’t have secret Kremlin or CCP files to share with you, I’m not sure how else I could prove it. No doubt you’ve seen some of the posts of “Trump supporters” happily offering cooking instructions when requested, or claiming to be a gender/race they obviously aren’t.
The Kremlin and CCP are highly active spreading propaganda through anonymous social media, and they’re absolutely here on the Fediverse with its sporadic moderation.
I have, I guess we’re seeing different tankies, because the ones I see are trying to spread communism through dogma and force. They do try and persuade me and others, constantly talking about “the revolution to end capitalism” and such. Yes, their shit plan of “just murder anyone who rents out a house and everyone with over $X (usually billionaires, sometimes even millionaires) and everyone who employs people when they (rather than all employees equally) own the means of production and everyone who disagrees with the plan” won’t work and is the worst plan in the world, but it is still a plan nonetheless and one they intend to use to bring about a utopian era of communism (which is “utopian” through violence, coercion and force, thus actually dystopian even if everything else is “perfect”).
Low effort we’ll agree, though I don’t believe that group “thinks” at all lmao.
Sure I’ve probably seen trump supporters write a recipe, they are just people after all, shit leader or not. Hell ngl my uncle is one, and that motherfucker can cook. I won’t take his advice on political matters, but if he tells me to try something he’s made to eat I’m in. I don’t think I’ve seen them pull digital blackface because tbh I don’t use social media, but I’d believe you on that.
Wouldn’t be surprised to hear they are, but nonetheless the chapo trap house degenerates that make up hexbear and grad are real. They do believe the dumb shit they say. It can’t all just be explained away with CCP and FSB boogeymen unfortunately, that would honestly be better imo. I’m sure some of it is, but mostly it’s people crazy enough to believe the stupid bullshit they spout.
Hell, I’ve met a few of them irl.Before lemmy existed even. They were definitely not just a CCP or FSB plant, they were mostly dumb shit white american neckbeards.
I don’t see most of that low effort “you’ll get the wall” type stuff as people trying to spread an ideology. They’re trying to make it look like they want to spread it, but there’s essentially no genuine effort.
It’s not an actual “plan” to spread communism, its just extremist rhetoric meant to divide people and cover up their true intentions.
I suppose I disagree in that I think they do want to and are dumb enough to think that their methods are effective at spreading communism, it seems we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Nah they don’t actually care about communism, its a facade for their propaganda.
Yeah, it just so happens that said propaganda is authoritarian communist in nature, always talking about dragging landlords and “right wing people” (read: those that support capitalism rather than communism, meaning you if you think “shooting people they don’t like” is bad) out of their homes and shooting them in the street, with not even so much as a distinction between large firms and the sweet and nice capitalist pig Mabel who used to rent the punk house to us and was really cool about it. They literally say after we kill all the people who disagree we can transition to the classless stateless society we call “trve communism.”
We can play “no true Scotsman” all we want but if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and wants to kill people, it’s probably a duck that wants to kill people. Tankies are communists (but not all communists are tankies), they’re just “bad.” Yes, communists can be bad, communism isn’t “when good.” They want to usher in communism through abhorrent acts. We may know that is impossible, but they do not, they unironically think they’ll cede power “when the time comes.”
Instead I think it’s pragmatic to recognize that they are communists but as with ice cream there are many flavors of communism, they are neither the “only” flavor nor do we agree with their violent flavor, opting instead for a diplomatic approach. To deny makes us seem either naive or willfully ignorant, to acknowledge but distance appears more level headed.
Except many of them really aren’t communists. Sure there are some genuine communists and some useful idiots, but most of it is a facade for propaganda.
Can you back that claim up with anything other than “Nuh uh, real communists are like me!” or are we just pretending/conveniently using their status as losers to say “but they haven’t accomplished anything?”
Go look at their content. Most of them aren’t trying to spread communis. If they believed in it they’d be trying to persuade others of their views, but its much more common to see strawman attacks and low effort group think.
Of course, I don’t have secret Kremlin or CCP files to share with you, I’m not sure how else I could prove it. No doubt you’ve seen some of the posts of “Trump supporters” happily offering cooking instructions when requested, or claiming to be a gender/race they obviously aren’t.
The Kremlin and CCP are highly active spreading propaganda through anonymous social media, and they’re absolutely here on the Fediverse with its sporadic moderation.
I have, I guess we’re seeing different tankies, because the ones I see are trying to spread communism through dogma and force. They do try and persuade me and others, constantly talking about “the revolution to end capitalism” and such. Yes, their shit plan of “just murder anyone who rents out a house and everyone with over $X (usually billionaires, sometimes even millionaires) and everyone who employs people when they (rather than all employees equally) own the means of production and everyone who disagrees with the plan” won’t work and is the worst plan in the world, but it is still a plan nonetheless and one they intend to use to bring about a utopian era of communism (which is “utopian” through violence, coercion and force, thus actually dystopian even if everything else is “perfect”).
Low effort we’ll agree, though I don’t believe that group “thinks” at all lmao.
Sure I’ve probably seen trump supporters write a recipe, they are just people after all, shit leader or not. Hell ngl my uncle is one, and that motherfucker can cook. I won’t take his advice on political matters, but if he tells me to try something he’s made to eat I’m in. I don’t think I’ve seen them pull digital blackface because tbh I don’t use social media, but I’d believe you on that.
Wouldn’t be surprised to hear they are, but nonetheless the chapo trap house degenerates that make up hexbear and grad are real. They do believe the dumb shit they say. It can’t all just be explained away with CCP and FSB boogeymen unfortunately, that would honestly be better imo. I’m sure some of it is, but mostly it’s people crazy enough to believe the stupid bullshit they spout.
Hell, I’ve met a few of them irl. Before lemmy existed even. They were definitely not just a CCP or FSB plant, they were mostly dumb shit white american neckbeards.
I don’t see most of that low effort “you’ll get the wall” type stuff as people trying to spread an ideology. They’re trying to make it look like they want to spread it, but there’s essentially no genuine effort.
It’s not an actual “plan” to spread communism, its just extremist rhetoric meant to divide people and cover up their true intentions.
I suppose I disagree in that I think they do want to and are dumb enough to think that their methods are effective at spreading communism, it seems we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Fair enough. Maybe the truth is that there are fewer shills and LLMs than I think, and more than you think.