The fact that the article hadn’t already been posted in the last 3 weeks I think is a failing of the entire Threadiverse. I’m happy I could rectify it, but I’m also disappointed we didn’t get an opportunity to discuss it sooner. We should all step up our game.
Agree that there was a failure of timing, but would put the blame on progressive leaders who didn’t step forward a year ago to mount a serious challenge. The problems with how this was handled are beyond counting but my original point was that at this point we need to put a hold on the infighting for all of three months and then we can start applying pressure in constructive ways that ensure this never happens again. If we can’t do that, nothing else is likely to matter for quite some time, and many things more immediately important than inner-party battles hang in the balance.
put a hold on the infighting for all of three months and then we can start applying pressure in constructive ways that ensure this never happens again.
I’m not a Democrat or any other kind of party member, and BLM is not an organization of Democrats. This isn’t an issue of party discipline, its a tried and true tactic for political change.
In the 1960s black people were much more actively discriminated against on a systemic level, practically prevented from voting in many of the states in the southern United States. The president at the time was the Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, and was facing the much more racist Republican challenger Barry Goldwater. While the black vote was suppressed in the south, there was a significant voting block in the north of black people and their allies whose main issue was civil rights. Civil rights leaders, including Martin Luther King, met several times with LBJ, who coaxed them to tone down the direct action protests and criticism until after the election, as he claimed to we willing to negotiate with them once the threat to his power was diminished. Instead, civil rights protests increased. The leaders, probably correctly, determined that once the election was over, they would have less leverage. Even though losing the election meant having an enemy in the white house, having a ‘friend’ who continued to delay essential concessions did not further their cause. People were actively being murdered by the ‘Jim Crow’ apartheid regime, and delays and half-measures were not sufficient.
Thanks to the pressure of millions of people engaged in direct action and open criticism of the president, the Civil Rights Act was passed before the 1964 election. LBJ won by a landslide due to the popularity of the legislation, but suffered the severe political consequences Democrats were trying to avoid through their strategy of placation and delay. The 1964 election was the last where Democrats got the majority of the white vote, and electing politicians in the southern states became much more difficult for their party. Democrats will continue to ignore criticism unless there are real political consequences to their actions. If you’re curious what historical role your rhetoric plays, look up Martin Luther King Jr.'s letter from Birmingham Jail:
I have never yet engaged in a direct-action movement that was “well timed” according to the timetable of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word “wait.” It rings in the ear of every Negro with a piercing familiarity. This “wait” has almost always meant “never.”
I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate
who is more devoted to order than to justice; …who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
Black Lives Matter is the spiritual successor to King’s legacy, and have been fighting with direct action against the policies that Donald Trump champions since before he was first elected. They’re not going to throw up their hands and give up if Trump suspends elections, and I hope you won’t either.
But the statement from the BLM was about the Democratic Party, thus making that the point of the discussion. If you don’t care about the Democratic Party, why do you care about their nomination process?
And this is by no means an accusation, but that wall of text was so tangential to the whole thread that it reads like ChatGPT helped you write it. Trust your own words.
They are my own words, though a large section was copy and pasted from a similar comment I made a month ago, which may explain the unusual tone. Explaining ideas outside the political center take more work, and I try and save labor where I can.
I do care about the Democratic Party, the same way I care about the Republican Party. Regardless of my membership, their policies and actions have a significant effect on my life.
Ironically the Republican primary system allows their party to be highjacked by the far right, while the ‘Democratic’ system of super-delegates was specifically designed after the events of 1968 to prevent the left from accumulating similar influence. This is one in a long line of anti-democratic laws and institutions that have fueled the rise of fascism in America, and deserves criticism.
That all would have been excellent context to add from the beginning and would have been the argument or call to action that would have made the post make sense no matter when it was originally posted. Without it, as can be seen in all the communities you posted this to, you just generated confusion and animosity.
Experiencing the confusion and animosity of others is a familiar feature of existing outside the political center.
I desire to be understood and respected, as evidenced by this conversation, but at some point, the confused and angry need to take responsibility for their ignorance and abuse.
How about the fact that the article is three weeks out of date? Whose fault would that be?
The fact that the article hadn’t already been posted in the last 3 weeks I think is a failing of the entire Threadiverse. I’m happy I could rectify it, but I’m also disappointed we didn’t get an opportunity to discuss it sooner. We should all step up our game.
Agree that there was a failure of timing, but would put the blame on progressive leaders who didn’t step forward a year ago to mount a serious challenge. The problems with how this was handled are beyond counting but my original point was that at this point we need to put a hold on the infighting for all of three months and then we can start applying pressure in constructive ways that ensure this never happens again. If we can’t do that, nothing else is likely to matter for quite some time, and many things more immediately important than inner-party battles hang in the balance.
I’m not a Democrat or any other kind of party member, and BLM is not an organization of Democrats. This isn’t an issue of party discipline, its a tried and true tactic for political change.
In the 1960s black people were much more actively discriminated against on a systemic level, practically prevented from voting in many of the states in the southern United States. The president at the time was the Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, and was facing the much more racist Republican challenger Barry Goldwater. While the black vote was suppressed in the south, there was a significant voting block in the north of black people and their allies whose main issue was civil rights. Civil rights leaders, including Martin Luther King, met several times with LBJ, who coaxed them to tone down the direct action protests and criticism until after the election, as he claimed to we willing to negotiate with them once the threat to his power was diminished. Instead, civil rights protests increased. The leaders, probably correctly, determined that once the election was over, they would have less leverage. Even though losing the election meant having an enemy in the white house, having a ‘friend’ who continued to delay essential concessions did not further their cause. People were actively being murdered by the ‘Jim Crow’ apartheid regime, and delays and half-measures were not sufficient.
Thanks to the pressure of millions of people engaged in direct action and open criticism of the president, the Civil Rights Act was passed before the 1964 election. LBJ won by a landslide due to the popularity of the legislation, but suffered the severe political consequences Democrats were trying to avoid through their strategy of placation and delay. The 1964 election was the last where Democrats got the majority of the white vote, and electing politicians in the southern states became much more difficult for their party. Democrats will continue to ignore criticism unless there are real political consequences to their actions. If you’re curious what historical role your rhetoric plays, look up Martin Luther King Jr.'s letter from Birmingham Jail:
Black Lives Matter is the spiritual successor to King’s legacy, and have been fighting with direct action against the policies that Donald Trump champions since before he was first elected. They’re not going to throw up their hands and give up if Trump suspends elections, and I hope you won’t either.
But the statement from the BLM was about the Democratic Party, thus making that the point of the discussion. If you don’t care about the Democratic Party, why do you care about their nomination process?
And this is by no means an accusation, but that wall of text was so tangential to the whole thread that it reads like ChatGPT helped you write it. Trust your own words.
They are my own words, though a large section was copy and pasted from a similar comment I made a month ago, which may explain the unusual tone. Explaining ideas outside the political center take more work, and I try and save labor where I can.
I do care about the Democratic Party, the same way I care about the Republican Party. Regardless of my membership, their policies and actions have a significant effect on my life.
Ironically the Republican primary system allows their party to be highjacked by the far right, while the ‘Democratic’ system of super-delegates was specifically designed after the events of 1968 to prevent the left from accumulating similar influence. This is one in a long line of anti-democratic laws and institutions that have fueled the rise of fascism in America, and deserves criticism.
That all would have been excellent context to add from the beginning and would have been the argument or call to action that would have made the post make sense no matter when it was originally posted. Without it, as can be seen in all the communities you posted this to, you just generated confusion and animosity.
Experiencing the confusion and animosity of others is a familiar feature of existing outside the political center.
I desire to be understood and respected, as evidenced by this conversation, but at some point, the confused and angry need to take responsibility for their ignorance and abuse.