• nednobbins
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    21 days ago

    You know what that Wikipedia article has in common with all the other claims of a genocide in Xinjiang?

    A complete lack of evidence.

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      Investigative methods The report was created by the United Nations through a thorough review of evidence documented by the OHCHR.[41] Several forms of evidence were considered in making the report, including interviews with several dozen people who lived in Xinjiang at the time that abuses had been publicly reported.[39][40] The report also focused its analysis on what the Chinese government had publicly stated contemporaneously with the reported abuses, including public Chinese government documents and laws promulgated at the time.[41][42] In May 2022, OHCHR commissioner Michelle Bachelet visited Xinjiang. Prior to her visit, she spoke with representatives of several NGOs that were concerned about the both human rights situation in Xinjiang and in China, more broadly. After arriving in the region, she talked to numerous government officials, academics, and civil society leaders.[41] However, due to opposition by China, the OHCHR was unable to conduct a more thorough investigation on-the-ground within the borders of the People’s Republic.[40]

      Findings The report’s findings included that a large number of abuses had occurred within Xinjiang, corroborating academic research and public reporting on the abuses in the largely ethnic minority region.[40] The report concluded that human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang are serious and widespread.[43]

      Arbitrary detention In the report, the OHCHR stated that reports that the Chinese government had arbitrarily detained Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims en masse in the Xinjiang internment camps were credible, specifying that the actions of the Chinese state amounted to deprivation of liberty and were undertaken in a discriminatory fashion.[39][44] Former inmates who were detained in Xinjiang stated that they had received beatings while strapped to a chair and described undergoing torture similar to waterboarding; the report also noted that there was credible evidence of torture within internment camps.[45] The report indicated that these abuses constituted widespread violations of human rights and that they may rise to the level of crimes against humanity.[44]

      Forced labor The report found that the Chinese government’s labor schemes relating to what the government of China referred to as vocational training constituted discrimination.[39][44] With respect to whether labor schemes that China describes as poverty alleviation schemes have involved the coercion of Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities into forced labor, the report stated that there was evidence that these schemes did indeed involve coercion of laborers.[42][45]

      Sexual violence and sterilizations The OHCHR described reports of sexual violence targeted at Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims within the Xinjiang internment camps as credible.[39] Women interviewed by the United Nations described being orally raped by prison guards and being forcibly subjected to examinations of their genitalia in front of large crowds.[40] The report also noted that there was an “unusually sharp rise” in the amount of intrauterine device insertions and sterilizations performed in Xinjiang and stated that the Chinese government used coercive means to sharply lower the birth rate of Uyghurs in Xinjiang.[44]

      No evidence to see here, the UN is just a globalhomo conspiracy or whatever the latest fascist line is.

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        20 days ago

        Is there any evidence in that wall of text or just a bunch of claims to have seen evidence?

        I don’t need that kind of nonsense for an actual genocide because there are mountains of primary evidence.

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          20 days ago

          Fun fact about Wikipedia:

          Those numbers in brackets are reference numbers. At the bottom of the article they’ll be listed out (you can actually click the number and it’ll take you right to the footnote) with links to those sources

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            Ever tried following them?

            I did. That’s how I know they don’t get to actual sources.

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                  Hey look, evidence from countries that have a free press!

                  I wonder why we don’t have any “evidence from China”. I bet it’s their state-run media censoring it.

                  Your point has 0 credibility, your confidence in it is utterly misplaced.

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                    18 days ago

                    So you love the free press of Israel, Darfur and Turkey?

                    I also love how people think that China has some magical censorship technology that’s so effective that people can’t manage to sneak out a single shred of evidence but somehow every racist has some magical means of finding the actual facts (they just can’t show them to us).

                    Nobody can smuggle out a USB stick out of the country. None of the millions of VPN users can figure out how to send some video out of the country. None of our satellites can take a photo with any evidence. That’s an amazing coincidence.

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                    18 days ago

                    Genocide isn’t about killing.
                    Photos aren’t evidence.

                    What’s next?
                    War is peace?
                    Freedom is slavery?

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      21 days ago

      You’re the type to stare at the sun during an eclipse because you don’t believe the light might hurt your eyes without experiencing it yourself.

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        That’s a nice guess. I’m actually the type who puts an eclipse filter on an Orion 10” so I can safely gather evidence and see the awesome solar prominence.