A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump. Palestinian lives don’t matter to Trump, nor do they really matter to Harris; however in general, Harris will be better for Americans than Trump, so vote for Harris.
A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump.
Just as a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.
Imagine if Nader didn’t run. Imagine there was no Green Party candidate for US President.
Gore would have probably won, and America would have been the better for it. Probably no Iraq war, maybe not even a 911. As a result Iran probably wouldn’t be as strong, and Putin probably would have less to legitimately oppose about the US, and would himself be seen as less legitimate—indeed Ukraine might still be whole today.
A new Green deal would probably be in full swing.
Granted, Harris doesn’t really care about Palestinians, and some elements of the Democratic party care even less; but Trump cares even less than Harris, and what he will do to the US will be worse.
So while Israel massacres civilians and steals more land, at least under Harris American women would still more easily get abortions, we will have fewer TGs committing suicide (maybe), and health care will be a little more universal.
Also with the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, the Big 3 will be able to better produce good inexpensive cars (as they’ve been at least somewhat intending these past several decades), and fascism will have less of a hold on the US.
Therefore: vote for Harris.
If you are a progressive: vote for Harris.
If you are an environmentalist: vote for Harris.
If you are a libertarian: vote for Harris.
If you support voting reforms such as proportional representation, rank balloting, the abolition of the Electoral College, and/or more political diversity: vote for Harris.
If you are nauseated at the idea of voting for Harris: take a barf bag with you while you vote for Harris.
If you are a Palestinian-American who has a relative who was injured, maimed, or even murdered, in Gaza, you should still vote for Harris, because again, Trump doesn’t care about them either, but at least you, as an American citizen, will get a better deal Harris than under Trump.
(I’m not entirely sure if I agree with all the above, but I find it hard to refute.)
It’s easy to refute the claim. If you’ve followed discussion threads here for the past 3 months, we’ve done so countless times. But since you’re desperate for another one, here we go.
First, third party voters have and always will exist. If your campaign strategy is to ridicule them, then you deserve to lose. Do a better job of convincing them that your candidate is good, so that they’ll vote for your candidate, or go get those tens of millions of voters who are sitting at home or working their jobs, and get them to cast their ballot.
Second, most voters do not live in swing states. If you are a strong minority in your own state, and you know it, then it does not matter what you do on election Day because it wasn’t going to affect the results of the election. If someone comes along and tells you that it does, they are lying, and they ought to know better.
Third, is the only thing that could possibly affect the results of the election are these small groups of potential third-party voters, then it’s convenient to blame them if you don’t get what you want, but that ignores reality. Some people might not vote for Harris because of her stance on Palestine. If only there was something that could be done about that. If only she could change her stance on Palestine. Oh wait! She could change her stance tomorrow. If she really needed those votes, and those were the only things that could possibly change, she could get on TV tomorrow and tell us her new plan. But she didn’t do that. Why? Because it doesn’t come down to this one single group of voters.
But even if it did come down to this one single group of voters, then it would be on her to make a new policy, right? But she didn’t do that. So now you’re calling her a fool, because she’s pushing this losing campaign strategy when there’s a clear solution, which means you are hoping she doesn’t get elected because you’re insulting her now just a few days before the election. How dare you undercut her and her campaign staff.
Finally, I think single issue voting is a bad idea, but if I were going to be a single issue voter, the one issue that is going to be at or near the top of the list is genocide. If a US voter has a cousin or sister or uncle living or dead in Palestine today, how do you convince them to vote for Harris? Of course it’s true that Trump would probably be just as bad or worse, but you’re asking for them to vote for someone who definitely played a role in maintaining the status quo, which is likely to or has already led to the death of a family member that they know and love. I think for people in this situation, of which the numbers are not very large but definitely non-zero, you just can’t do anything about it. They’re not going to vote for Harris because they would correctly perceive it as letting down their beloved family member.
Single issue voting for Palestine cause is foolish if you vote for any of the candidate. US politicians have taken a lot of money from Israel to stop them.
If that is the criteria to choose then it would be better of not choosing. At least you would not have contributed in genocide.
As you say. That is why some single issue voters will stay home this year. I don’t think the numbers are very large, but they are a convenient target.
If you think somebody who supports sending weapons and ammo to those using them to mass murder children is a good person who will think about what’s good for other people when she’s POTUS, I have a bridge to sell you.
Anybody who is actively helping what Israel is doing is a full-blown Sociopath and socipaths don’t work for anything but their own personal upsides when in a leadership position.
The Israeli Genocide (well on its way to Holocaust) is such an extreme thing to actively support that unlike plenty of other things politicians might support, there is no doubt whatsoever on the nature of the character of somebody who supports it.
We’re not talking about “how far should Regulators intervene” or “were should Public stop and Private start” here, we’re talking about looking at 17 pages of dead babies age 1 year of less (only counted up until Israel bombed all hospitals to stop the counting) and thinking “yeah, we should send those mass murderers of babies more weapons”.
It’s hard to find most definitive proof of a “will fuck you up for even the slightest of personal gains” personality than this.
You’d better just go ahead and keep this ready as pasta cuz this isn’t close to the last time this summerchild showerthought is getting posted, no sir
Maybe one of these days I’ll get the wording perfect. Then everyone will be convinced. In my dreams.
Certainly this post didn’t accomplish it, but another chance will come up tomorrow.
Lol you are just that. A dreamer refusing to acknowledge reality.