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    Ok, so no actual deal right? Just discussions. Gotcha.

    So in the absence of any actual deal that was supposedly reneged on Cuba’s part. What’s the justification of the sanctions imposed by Trump and Biden, and it’s continuation of it?

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        No actual documents exist for the diplomc thaw.

        Because they don’t exist.

        You’re link is for 2019. Biden ran in 2020 and he included in his platform to move towards normalizing relationships with Cuba. He has since decided to impose even more sanctions which had a direct negative result on the Cuban economy making them much more vulnerable to disasters like this. So again, what are the justifications of the sanctions?

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          They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

          The link still stands at State. It’s the current position.

          What new sanctions? Specifics.

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            They do exist. There were at least 4 rounds of diplomatic discussions. Notes were taken.

            Ok so show me evidence of this supposed deal then.

            The link still stands at State. It’s the current position.

            And Biden campaigned on changing it but broke that promise.

            What new sanctions? Specifics.

            It’s literally in the article as well as one of the excerpts I quoted to you in my first comment:

            Instead, Biden has one-upped Trump by going further than the previous administration in attacking Cuba’s tourism industry – the main engine of the island’s economy. Two years ago, the Biden State Department barred foreigners who visit Cuba from visa-free travel to the U.S.

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              Thats not new, the US can and does bar travel in the US based on previous travel. Post 911, if you visit a terrorist state, you don’t get to roam the US. But, it’s interesting that you blame Cuba’s electrical grid failure on it.

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                Ok now you’re really just being intentionally obtuse. The terrorist designation was older than the Biden administration. The limitations on the tourism was during the Biden administration.

                But, it’s interesting that you blame Cuba’s electrical grid failure on it.

                I blame American sanctions on Cuba’s inability to adequately help it’s people during a disaster, yes.

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                  It’s not obtuse, it’s a fact. Maybe just realized as a fact, but a fact nonetheless.

                  First, the way the Caribbean countries work, the original ownership countries are supposed to help out after disasters and sometimes they dont. So the british are reactive usually. France sometimes. Dutch do what they can. US should always be there for Puerto Rico and the VI.

                  I guess it would be Spain for Cuba. Have they asked? Has Cuba asked the US? Personally I’d be all for helping. To a point.

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                    It’s not obtuse, it’s a fact. Maybe just realized as a fact, but a fact nonetheless.

                    Show me evidence of this supposed fact of yours then.

                    I guess it would be Spain for Cuba. Have they asked? Has Cuba asked the US?

                    An intentional deflection from the point of US sanctions harming Cuba’s ability to support itself after a natural disaster. But to entertain your question, yes they did ask.

                    Personally I’d be all for helping. To a point.

                    No you just want to tie your views on humanitarian aid to political beliefs, and not actual humanitarian ones. It’s abundantly clear you’re not able to see America do anything wrong on the world stage and instead insist that everything it’s done is justified but fail to actually provide the justifications.