• SeaJ
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    11 months ago

    I agree but diesel cars are much more common in Europe and they have better towing capacity due to higher torque.

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      11 months ago

      Not the core issue. My car does not run on Diesel, but I would not have any issues dragging such a caravan around. That is perfectly normal in Europe.

      Why the Americans think one would need a thick fat pickup or truck just to pull a caravan is beyond me. Maybe it is just smart marketing to make people buy even bigger cars than they ever need.

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        A quick search shows a civic can tow 1,100 lbs. A dodge caravan can tow 3,600 lbs. An F-150 tows 14,000 lbs.

        Now someone may have a legitimate reason to need to tow thousands of pounds, such as someone who moves horses around.

        But for normal use, my tool trailer comes in under 1,000kg (2,200 lbs); maybe someone working in a mountainous area would need more power? Most likely marketing.

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          It’s like choosing to drive a tractor around. Those F150 are great machines in circumstances where they are needed, but to go food shopping, you don’t need that. I have a RAV4 hybrid (my work requires a large trunk space, and I have kids and a dog) and I get 50mpg and people are amazed compared to 12mpg of their truck. Go figure.

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            11 months ago

            Yep. I’ve got a SEAT Alhambra because I need trunk space, too - and it’s a nice trunk space, easy to use. And I can tow 1800kg, despite it being not a diesel.

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          11 months ago

          I haul more stuff with my little 4x8 utility trailer and small hybrid than most of the big F150 people around me. I routinely get full loads of compost from the municipal dump.

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          My parents used to have a 2008 dodge Durango that they were told would be good enough to haul their 3500 lb camper. (Needed 7 seats for 5 kids + them)

          This thing did not do well hauling the camper. It struggled going up the mountains where we vacationed and it struggled just as bad coming back down because the brakes couldn’t handle the dead weight.

          Now us kids have grown up and moved out and they got an F150 that hauls their new camper, about the same weight (3700 lb) like it’s not even back there.

          I think there’s a lot more to it than how much weight the car can actually pull. But I couldn’t say since I’m not that knowledgeable.

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        11 months ago

        The caravans in Europe are much lighter than the trailers in North America.

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          I’ve seen plenty of small “Euro-sized” cars pull fully loaded horse trailers, so I suspect weight is not much of an issue. You need to get power on the road, and for that bulkyness of the frame is hardly the main factor.

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          Are they? As caravans are quite popular in Europe, I can’t imagine we are missing something in a lighter caravan, so who do Americans have in theirs that makes the heavier?

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        11 months ago

        Well our Rv are way larger then that most of the time. That’s why the most popular models are self mobile

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      That’s about to change. After finding out the vast minority, if not all, car manufacturer were found cheating emissions tests, diesel car usage has been limited and production stopped, or will stop in the near future.

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        That’s about to change. After finding out the vast minority, if not all, car manufacturer were found cheating emissions tests, diesel car usage has been limited and production stopped, or will stop in the near future.

        i’m aware of volkwagen and co. doing this; what other manufacturers have been caught?

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              Many have been caught. Not all of them have made a big deal about it.

              You simply cannot build a compliant engine without cheating. The fight has gone to the courts to find out what kind of cheating is permissible…

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              No. Simply that Volkswagen, then another company was caught, then they went after all of them and they all admitted before they could look into each individual company.

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          Basically all of them have cheated. You needed good emission test results, but without having a miracle idea that evaded everyone else in the business you simply had no competitive results without cheating. That’s physics, and physics is a very hard and unforgiving ruler.