Real talk though, where do you all buy your furniture? I have a hard time finding shelves that land between between “affordable and flimsy” and “outrageously expensive and only for the 1%”
Go to the Ikea website and search for bookcases. The standard Billy bookcase is $89 in my location. It’s made of wood veneer over particlebaord. They last about 10- 15 years or so before the glue holding the particles together breaks down and they become fragile.
Then use the Materials option to limit to “Solid Wood”, the same size Hemnes bookcase is $250. Same height, similar styling, made of solid wood and going to last much longer.
You can buy solid, long lasting furniture at Ikea, but it’s not the cheapest option so people often miss it.
I got my new dresser from IKEA and it’s all solid wood. I was looking for something similar to the particleboard one I had before, since the configuration was nice, but the bottoms were falling out of the compartments. @hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world is completely on the money.
I feel you. I resorted to making all of our shelves. Its a fun hobby, but I wish I had better options. Also I don’t know how to make non-shelf furniture.
And even that is really expensive, if you want more than the most basic, MacGyver shelf. I tried to build a shelf in a weirdly shaped corner and due to cuttings and waste, I would have to pay something like 200€ just for wood - and end up with a bunch of wasted wood planks.
When you learn woodworking, you get to spend 20 to 60h building whatever it is you need, and it only costs you about twice as much as store bought! Of course, that’s once you’ve spent 3 to 10 thousand euros on the gear first.
Start small or at least start so.ething that can be broken into simpler smaller pieces. Not a comment on your skill just that the equipment can get very expensive very quick
High quality but modernish oak furniture? You can often collect it for free. Paint it white if you think it looks too dated and attach a few new knobs.
Want to pay a bit more? Antique cupboards over 2 meters are invariably easier to dissassemble/reassassemble than an IKEA cupboard. You need less bolts if you make stuff from actual wood. Often just 4 bolts for a huge antique cupboard or no bolts at all just wood clamps/pegs. The top decoration can also often be removed. I’ve transported a 2.4x1.8m cupboard in the back of a VW Passat. But people don’t know that and are scared it won’t fit in their house or car, so don’t buy them.
Wood is also easy to repair. I’ve bought early 19th century biedermeier cupboards for under 50Euros that now look like they just came out of a palace. The 16th century cupboard I bought, literally came from a castle. 100 Euros. 2m40 tall. Scares people off, they don’t realise it’s easy to dissassemble and that the top bit is usually detachable/extra, or they want ikea crap because it’s what the neighbours have. People will tell you how much they paid for them(often thousands), then thank you for buying them at less than 10% because they simply don’t sell and they would otherwise have been forced to chop them up for firewood. Often old people downsizing and moving to a retirement home. They’d be forced to pay hundreds in storage fees for each month it’s not sold.
Some of them look bad when you buy them. I either use a (dark) furniture bees wax or pledge furniture renovator. Not a bit, but a lot of the stuff. Quality wood and you can rescue something that’s been stuck in a damp shed and covered in pigeon shit for a decade, and make it look like new. Cracks? Two planks, some wood glue, some bricks. Holes? If the bees wax doesn’t fill it, there’s filler or wax for that. Etc. etc.
Some of my furniture has no screws, all dove tail carpenter stuff. Some has handmade screws, because they’re from before industrialisation.
Only thing to avoid is wood worm, unless you have a large sauna, are willing to take a gamble on the wood not cracking as you cook it, and want to spend an entire day filling tiny holes afterwards.
Old furniture is usually from rather high class households and thus often made for large rooms. In a regular apartment, you can’t really use much of that. My great grandma had a bunch of these pieces, often older than her. But they take up tons of space that most people simply don’t have. And the fact that they’re usually pretty dark doesn’t help.
You can get a piece or two as a highlight, but not more.
My friend upcycles old furniture they find and I pay them for their work.
Essentially she finds broken furniture (not fully broken maybe paints all scratched, chair missing a few legs, etc) and fixes them up. Local pickup furniture people are giving away for free cause they moving or something like that.
If you can track down liquidation sales they are a pretty good source for desks, chairs and even shelving. I spent $50 on a beat up butcher block slab and with $20 worth of materials I cleaned it up into a decent looking desk.
There’s a small town near where I live where you can walk to a bunch of small furniture stores, some with antiques/used and some with new stuff. Prices range but you can usually find a good deal. I’d look for one of these types of things, or IKEA
Thrift stores, basically. I worked in various thrift stores for 5 years and mostly furnished my home that way. Just be thorough when you’re inspecting it before you buy it! Check for bugs, broken/missing pieces, wiggly legs, cosmetic damage. We’ve gotten some really cool stuff in great condition for actually reasonable prices. My favorite is an ancient La-Z-Boy for $12, in decent shape.
If there’s a Re-Store near you, they’re great too! We got an adorable coffee hutch for $65, a decent couch for $80, a couple nightstands for $10-20 each, a solid, heavy duty coffee table for $30. It requires patience to find what you might be looking for, and it helps if you already know which thrift stores tend to get better quality items. Antique stores are worth a shot too, if you’re ok with spending on the upper end of cheap? You can get some really well built, old, beautiful furniture. Or see if there’s a furniture consignment store around you!
I think things like IKEA or Target are fine too, as long as you take care of your furniture. I’ve never had any problems with anything from IKEA, even when I buy used, but it probably helps I don’t have kids, lol.
They’re counting on no one using it, because a matrass is annoying to transport, but that’s really worth it.
IME they rarely last ten years, but that doesn’t matter. You simply return them every few years, once they start sagging a bit or get dents. Just use a matrass protecter against the worst stains, obviously.
Very affordable matrasses too, compared to other places.
I speak four languages on a semi-daily basis. It’s almost impossible to avoid the occasional flub without a spell checker.
Matelas, matras, matratze, and mattress.
Another one is succes, success, succès. No success without the SS in English.
There’s also occasional, ocasional, occasioneel, and occasionnel. Read stuff like that too much and your eyes go wonky.
The comma rules are also subtly different. At least I think they are. I’ve given up caring.
Weirdly, I get its/it’s right more often than monolingual English speakers. Dutch has a thing where sometimes the plural is denoted with a 's. The greengrocer’s apostrophe it’s sometimes called in English when you make that mistake.
I bought a metal filing cabinet that would ordinarily go for $400-$500 online for $15 off of Craigslist. I also scoop up and repair free shit from the curb. FB Marketplace and Craigslist are a mixed bag between shitty and overpriced and ridiculously cheap for what the actual retail value would be.
Real talk though, where do you all buy your furniture? I have a hard time finding shelves that land between between “affordable and flimsy” and “outrageously expensive and only for the 1%”
The secret is it’s ALSO Ikea.
Go to the Ikea website and search for bookcases. The standard Billy bookcase is $89 in my location. It’s made of wood veneer over particlebaord. They last about 10- 15 years or so before the glue holding the particles together breaks down and they become fragile.
Then use the Materials option to limit to “Solid Wood”, the same size Hemnes bookcase is $250. Same height, similar styling, made of solid wood and going to last much longer.
You can buy solid, long lasting furniture at Ikea, but it’s not the cheapest option so people often miss it.
I don’t shop ikea almost ever but had no idea they had solid wood options… Honestly, thanks for the info.
I got my new dresser from IKEA and it’s all solid wood. I was looking for something similar to the particleboard one I had before, since the configuration was nice, but the bottoms were falling out of the compartments. @hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world is completely on the money.
Maybe I’ve been too harsh on Ikea then.
We just get stuff from IKEA and don’t abuse it.
I feel you. I resorted to making all of our shelves. Its a fun hobby, but I wish I had better options. Also I don’t know how to make non-shelf furniture.
And even that is really expensive, if you want more than the most basic, MacGyver shelf. I tried to build a shelf in a weirdly shaped corner and due to cuttings and waste, I would have to pay something like 200€ just for wood - and end up with a bunch of wasted wood planks.
I’ve thought about this too. I think I would like woodworking, and I like to have a project.
When you learn woodworking, you get to spend 20 to 60h building whatever it is you need, and it only costs you about twice as much as store bought! Of course, that’s once you’ve spent 3 to 10 thousand euros on the gear first.
Start small or at least start so.ething that can be broken into simpler smaller pieces. Not a comment on your skill just that the equipment can get very expensive very quick
You can do a lot with a hand saw, chisel, mallet, utility knife and hand plane. Check out https://www.youtube.com/@Paul.Sellers/playlists starting with making a workbench
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Europe? Second hand.
High quality but modernish oak furniture? You can often collect it for free. Paint it white if you think it looks too dated and attach a few new knobs.
Want to pay a bit more? Antique cupboards over 2 meters are invariably easier to dissassemble/reassassemble than an IKEA cupboard. You need less bolts if you make stuff from actual wood. Often just 4 bolts for a huge antique cupboard or no bolts at all just wood clamps/pegs. The top decoration can also often be removed. I’ve transported a 2.4x1.8m cupboard in the back of a VW Passat. But people don’t know that and are scared it won’t fit in their house or car, so don’t buy them.
Wood is also easy to repair. I’ve bought early 19th century biedermeier cupboards for under 50Euros that now look like they just came out of a palace. The 16th century cupboard I bought, literally came from a castle. 100 Euros. 2m40 tall. Scares people off, they don’t realise it’s easy to dissassemble and that the top bit is usually detachable/extra, or they want ikea crap because it’s what the neighbours have. People will tell you how much they paid for them(often thousands), then thank you for buying them at less than 10% because they simply don’t sell and they would otherwise have been forced to chop them up for firewood. Often old people downsizing and moving to a retirement home. They’d be forced to pay hundreds in storage fees for each month it’s not sold.
Some of them look bad when you buy them. I either use a (dark) furniture bees wax or pledge furniture renovator. Not a bit, but a lot of the stuff. Quality wood and you can rescue something that’s been stuck in a damp shed and covered in pigeon shit for a decade, and make it look like new. Cracks? Two planks, some wood glue, some bricks. Holes? If the bees wax doesn’t fill it, there’s filler or wax for that. Etc. etc.
Some of my furniture has no screws, all dove tail carpenter stuff. Some has handmade screws, because they’re from before industrialisation.
Only thing to avoid is wood worm, unless you have a large sauna, are willing to take a gamble on the wood not cracking as you cook it, and want to spend an entire day filling tiny holes afterwards.
Old furniture is usually from rather high class households and thus often made for large rooms. In a regular apartment, you can’t really use much of that. My great grandma had a bunch of these pieces, often older than her. But they take up tons of space that most people simply don’t have. And the fact that they’re usually pretty dark doesn’t help.
You can get a piece or two as a highlight, but not more.
Estate sales?
Absolutely estate sales, yard sales, thrift stores, even facebook marketplace (but that’s a lot less reliable)
My friend upcycles old furniture they find and I pay them for their work.
Essentially she finds broken furniture (not fully broken maybe paints all scratched, chair missing a few legs, etc) and fixes them up. Local pickup furniture people are giving away for free cause they moving or something like that.
If you can track down liquidation sales they are a pretty good source for desks, chairs and even shelving. I spent $50 on a beat up butcher block slab and with $20 worth of materials I cleaned it up into a decent looking desk.
There’s a small town near where I live where you can walk to a bunch of small furniture stores, some with antiques/used and some with new stuff. Prices range but you can usually find a good deal. I’d look for one of these types of things, or IKEA
I visited to a few local antique stores and regretted it. I love a lot of their stuff, but the prices were crazy.
Thrift stores, basically. I worked in various thrift stores for 5 years and mostly furnished my home that way. Just be thorough when you’re inspecting it before you buy it! Check for bugs, broken/missing pieces, wiggly legs, cosmetic damage. We’ve gotten some really cool stuff in great condition for actually reasonable prices. My favorite is an ancient La-Z-Boy for $12, in decent shape.
If there’s a Re-Store near you, they’re great too! We got an adorable coffee hutch for $65, a decent couch for $80, a couple nightstands for $10-20 each, a solid, heavy duty coffee table for $30. It requires patience to find what you might be looking for, and it helps if you already know which thrift stores tend to get better quality items. Antique stores are worth a shot too, if you’re ok with spending on the upper end of cheap? You can get some really well built, old, beautiful furniture. Or see if there’s a furniture consignment store around you!
I think things like IKEA or Target are fine too, as long as you take care of your furniture. I’ve never had any problems with anything from IKEA, even when I buy used, but it probably helps I don’t have kids, lol.
String is a pretty nice shelving system.
Like someone else said, ikea and don’t beat it up. Most of their stuff isn’t high quality lumber but it’s not particle board like Walmart either.
I bought particleboard furniture from a German company ten years ago. One of the planks weighed more than an entire new IKEA book cupboard.
IKEA quality has gone down hill significantly.
It used to be cheap but relatively good quality.
Now it’s often (but not always) overpriced low quality stuff.
So comes with a 10 years warranty in most cases so keep your receipts!
The matrasses too.
They’re counting on no one using it, because a matrass is annoying to transport, but that’s really worth it.
IME they rarely last ten years, but that doesn’t matter. You simply return them every few years, once they start sagging a bit or get dents. Just use a matrass protecter against the worst stains, obviously.
Very affordable matrasses too, compared to other places.
Mattress 😉
Yeah.
I speak four languages on a semi-daily basis. It’s almost impossible to avoid the occasional flub without a spell checker.
Matelas, matras, matratze, and mattress.
Another one is succes, success, succès. No success without the SS in English.
There’s also occasional, ocasional, occasioneel, and occasionnel. Read stuff like that too much and your eyes go wonky.
The comma rules are also subtly different. At least I think they are. I’ve given up caring.
Weirdly, I get its/it’s right more often than monolingual English speakers. Dutch has a thing where sometimes the plural is denoted with a 's. The greengrocer’s apostrophe it’s sometimes called in English when you make that mistake.
Ah bah la prochaine fois on peut se parler de matelas en français aussi 😂
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I bought a metal filing cabinet that would ordinarily go for $400-$500 online for $15 off of Craigslist. I also scoop up and repair free shit from the curb. FB Marketplace and Craigslist are a mixed bag between shitty and overpriced and ridiculously cheap for what the actual retail value would be.
Real talk? My husband and I built a lot of it. Its not hard to make a nice piece of hardwood furniture if you have a lathe, router, and saw.