• @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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      17 months ago

      It’s funny to trace rhetoric back a few years before the Russia-Ukraine war, when there was so much Internet and social media hype over Russia as a superpower, their military overtaking America:

      https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Russia military US before%3A2020

      Then suddenly there’s the invasion, and suddenly it’s revealed that the hype was all fake, Russia was bluffing on its military, they are mostly poorly trained, with ridiculously outdated equipment.

      And suddenly tons of internet media commentators do a massive 180, and there’s so much rhetoric about how being a global superpower is bad.

      Is being a global superpower bad, or do people say it’s bad just because Russia isn’t one after all?

      • @MrBusinessMan
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        07 months ago

        It’s bad. It would be bad also if Russia were the sole global hegemon and the imperial power that controls the whole world, but it isn’t and also never has been. What a bizarre thought process you have that you think Americans who live in America and have to put up with its bullshit all day are getting their talking points from a country they don’t live in and have nothing to fucking do with. What a deranged conspiracy theory.

        • @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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          17 months ago

          What a bizarre thought process you have that you think Americans who live in America and have to put up with its bullshit all day are getting their talking points from a country they don’t live in and have nothing to fucking do with. What a deranged conspiracy theory.

          I’m gonna blow your mind, Grandpa. Americans consume more internet media than social media.

          Your see there’s this thing call Facebook

          • @MrBusinessMan
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            17 months ago

            And Facebook is an American company and spending on advertisements by American entities dwarf that of any other country, so what’s your point?

            • @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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              27 months ago

              America is not a nationalist country, and it’s not even particularly anti-Russia. American companies are busy making money selling their products.

              And capitalism online created the ingeniously evil thing known as targeted advertising. Instead of generically hammering the entire population with propaganda, you target specific groups with specific techniques.

              Incels? Blame women’s rights in America. Russia is more traditional and women know their place.

              Neo-Nazis? Blame the gays. The West is becoming effeminate. Russians are real men.

              Tankies? It’s US capitalism and imperialism. Not like Russia, it’s going to bring back the communist Soviet Union.

              • @MrBusinessMan
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                17 months ago

                I died. I’m dead after reading that america isn’t nationalist or anti-Russia. Lol. Lmao even.

                • @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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                  27 months ago

                  It’s not, politicians overwhelmingly don’t use nationalist or anti-Russia rhetoric because it doesn’t get them elected. Vivek is going hard nationalist, and he’s what, 9% support among Republicans?

                  There’s a few hyper-nationalists in the Republican party, but it’s the tiny minority, and everyone else in America just uses them for entertainment.

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                    🙄

                    Vivek is going hard nationalist, and he’s what, 9% support among Republicans?

                    So who is leading the republican primary? Somebody without a nationalist bone in their body I’m sure. Definitely not an “America First” “Build the Wall” “Make America Great Again” type of candidate.

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        But damn that’s a cool feature. Can you run a search on Ukraine + Nazis prior to the invasion to say what western reporting was saying about it back then?

        Then suddenly there’s the invasion, and suddenly it’s revealed that the hype was all fake, Russia was bluffing on its military, they are mostly poorly trained, with ridiculously outdated equipment.

        Do you live in an alternate reality where NATO is winning this war? Lmfao

        • @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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          27 months ago

          Do you live in an alternate reality where NATO is winning this war? Lmfao

          The narrative shifts second to second. One moment it’s an all powerful hegemony that pulls all the strings, the next it’s getting crushed by Russia.

          NATO is both a super-powerful bogeyman, and weak and helpless, depending on what most helps the current agenda.

          https://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html

          See #8

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            I’m rubber your glue, now you have to explain why Russia is hilariously incompetent and weak and simultaneously managing to brainwash people 5,000 miles away inside Americas own borders with a tiny fraction of America’s own media and propaganda power

            • @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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              27 months ago

              Well I do like to say that if Russia spent its troll farm money on its military instead, then it could afford the military it pretended to have.

              Tongue in cheek, obviously troll farms are way more cost effective.

              And it’s not like anyone was actually brainwashed into being a Russian agent. It’s just trolls who regurgitate pre-programmed talking points. And it’s really easy to walk into an alt-right or tankie bubble, list off a few in-group signals, and then just say things that already line up with their confirmation bias.

              • @MrBusinessMan
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                Actually I have a theory that the libs are the ones being targeted and brainwashed by Russian talking points. The Russians have convinced the libs that they secretly control everything and that everybody who disagrees with them is a Russian spy or a bot. The libs in turn act completley deranged about the Russian menace, thereby losing credibility in the eyes of their own countrymen and the world, and making foolish decisions of all sorts. They successfully are dividing our country by making the libs paranoid and distrustful. It’s truly a sad way for our country to be torn apart.

                • @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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                  27 months ago

                  The proof is right there lol.

                  Russian propaganda successfully convinced everyone that Russia had on of the most modern, powerful, well trained armies in the world. This is well documented. Most of the West predicted the fall of Ukraine within days.

                  The funny thing about a propaganda army, is that it can’t fight a real war for you. The Ukraine invasion stripped away the illusion, and the world got to see the real Russian military behind the facade.

                  everybody who disagrees with them is a Russian spy or a bot

                  Absolutely not, but it’s really easy to spot someone with incoherent rhetoric, that dances back and forth, and parrots pretty predictable lines they got online.

                  • @MrBusinessMan
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                    Absolutely not, but it’s really easy to spot someone with incoherent rhetoric, that dances back and forth, and parrots pretty predictable lines they got online.

                    Exactly what you are doing, which confirms my suspicions that you’ve fallen into the Russian propaganda trap! You need to snap out of it!