If someone shoplifts, the police should come by and impose their will on the shoplifter that they’re under arrest. If you’re raising a child, and the child doesn’t want to mow the lawn or keep their room clean, my opinion is that it’s your responsibility as a parent to address it in some fashion, instead of just saying “Oh well, he doesn’t want to.”
This is precisely what I was saying: There are contexts where you can say “X is right and Y is wrong and we need to enforce that,” and other contexts where yes, trying to enforce it is some form of human rights violation. There can legitimately be disagreement about which is which, but pretending that everything is the second case is just as wrong as pretending everything is the first case.
If someone shoplifts, the police should come by and impose their will on the shoplifter that they’re under arrest.
This is the authoritarian mindset – I don’t believe ruining someone’s life and putting them in danger of being shot is the solution to likely petty losses.
Also, business owners are capitalists and are already robbing their communities, I have no empathy for them.
Parent child relationships I’m willing to bend a bit but there are enough abusive parents out there that I don’t believe that parents have ultimate authority to impose their will on their children. It takes a village…
This is the authoritarian mindset – I don’t believe ruining someone’s life and putting them in danger of being shot is the solution to likely petty losses.
How about if someone breaks in your apartment and threatens your safety? Would you support the cops being authoritarian with them, maybe putting their life in danger if they’re resistive against being arrested, in that case?
The question (1) wasn’t someone who wants your stuff - it was specifically someone breaking in and endangering you personally (2) wasn’t about what you thought might happen if you called the cops; I asked it in a very specific way for this exact reason. If there happened to be police around, or somebody else who wasn’t the police, and that person intervened to stop you being assaulted and informed that endangering party that they were breaking the law and tried to forcefully subject them to the consequences of breaking the law. Would you support that action? Or you’d support the burglar’s right to be free from authoritarianism in their effort to hurt you?
I’m not trying to be combative with you about it. I do absolutely get the point about not wanting to engage with the justice system if the justice system isn’t interested in justice for you and in fact seems dangerous to you. But to me you’re clearly taking it to such a broader extreme that I honestly have trouble believing that you’d apply it to that extent as pertains your own life and safety.
I think being able to constructively address the very real problem of police misconduct has to include acknowledging the very genuine reality of “something very bad is happening and violent action is warranted to stop it.” Have I understood you accurately, that you’re saying you don’t think that’s true in any case? Because I feel like floating that argument actually makes it more difficult to address the very real problem of police violence, because it makes your viewpoint super easy to dismiss for someone who’s into the day-to-day reality of crime and law enforcement.
You’re right, this is such a big deal. Forget about her “biological female” teammate that can beat both of them, what’s important is imposing the gender binary as you understand it on children. And if we have to look down every single kid’s pants to ensure little susie isn’t unfairly beaten by the “biological male” it’s worth it, right?
And let’s spend our limited energy on this topic that involves literally like 6 kids in the U.S. rather than silly topics like climate change, wall street crime, loss of rights of bodily autonomy, etc.
I’d already responded to that point – nobody is forced to play school sports.
I think our usage of “imposing one’s will” is different - like if you go to a birthday party, the host is not “imposing their will” on you to eat chocolate cake, but by your usage they are.
But I’m out, feel free to destroy me, I don’t want to waste time arguing with someone who thinks gatekeeping who gets to wear a dress is important.
Oddly I never stated my opinion one way or the other on the trans issue. I just used it as an example of having someone else’s will imposed on someone.
No by my usage, you can decide not to eat the chocolate cake. Cake isn’t a view.
Your straw man fails to account for something very simple. The rapists is imposing their will on the victim, stopping others from imposing their will on others is the line between anarchy
Why is it so hard for people to understand that imposing one’s will on another is fundamentally wrong?
It’s not always, though.
If someone shoplifts, the police should come by and impose their will on the shoplifter that they’re under arrest. If you’re raising a child, and the child doesn’t want to mow the lawn or keep their room clean, my opinion is that it’s your responsibility as a parent to address it in some fashion, instead of just saying “Oh well, he doesn’t want to.”
This is precisely what I was saying: There are contexts where you can say “X is right and Y is wrong and we need to enforce that,” and other contexts where yes, trying to enforce it is some form of human rights violation. There can legitimately be disagreement about which is which, but pretending that everything is the second case is just as wrong as pretending everything is the first case.
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This is the authoritarian mindset – I don’t believe ruining someone’s life and putting them in danger of being shot is the solution to likely petty losses.
Also, business owners are capitalists and are already robbing their communities, I have no empathy for them.
Parent child relationships I’m willing to bend a bit but there are enough abusive parents out there that I don’t believe that parents have ultimate authority to impose their will on their children. It takes a village…
How about if someone breaks in your apartment and threatens your safety? Would you support the cops being authoritarian with them, maybe putting their life in danger if they’re resistive against being arrested, in that case?
I’m not white, TBH I’d be more afraid of the cops killing me intentionally or “accidentally” than from someone who wants my stuff.
The question (1) wasn’t someone who wants your stuff - it was specifically someone breaking in and endangering you personally (2) wasn’t about what you thought might happen if you called the cops; I asked it in a very specific way for this exact reason. If there happened to be police around, or somebody else who wasn’t the police, and that person intervened to stop you being assaulted and informed that endangering party that they were breaking the law and tried to forcefully subject them to the consequences of breaking the law. Would you support that action? Or you’d support the burglar’s right to be free from authoritarianism in their effort to hurt you?
I’m not trying to be combative with you about it. I do absolutely get the point about not wanting to engage with the justice system if the justice system isn’t interested in justice for you and in fact seems dangerous to you. But to me you’re clearly taking it to such a broader extreme that I honestly have trouble believing that you’d apply it to that extent as pertains your own life and safety.
I think being able to constructively address the very real problem of police misconduct has to include acknowledging the very genuine reality of “something very bad is happening and violent action is warranted to stop it.” Have I understood you accurately, that you’re saying you don’t think that’s true in any case? Because I feel like floating that argument actually makes it more difficult to address the very real problem of police violence, because it makes your viewpoint super easy to dismiss for someone who’s into the day-to-day reality of crime and law enforcement.
Care to shoot me a dm with your address then?
Everything is forcing something on somebody.
Do you think Riley Gaines is wrong for not wanting to compete with trans women? That’s was imposed on her when she didn’t want it.
She is not forced into playing sports first of all. What about the imposition to play with Jenny? That bitch
This is not what I’m talking about silly.
She is forced to play with a biological male. That’s enforcing views on someone else.
It’s how the world runs.
You’re right, this is such a big deal. Forget about her “biological female” teammate that can beat both of them, what’s important is imposing the gender binary as you understand it on children. And if we have to look down every single kid’s pants to ensure little susie isn’t unfairly beaten by the “biological male” it’s worth it, right?
And let’s spend our limited energy on this topic that involves literally like 6 kids in the U.S. rather than silly topics like climate change, wall street crime, loss of rights of bodily autonomy, etc.
Woosh. You went on some rant that wasn’t relevant to the point.
The point is things are always imposed on people. To act otherwise is just ignoring how the world works.
I’d already responded to that point – nobody is forced to play school sports.
I think our usage of “imposing one’s will” is different - like if you go to a birthday party, the host is not “imposing their will” on you to eat chocolate cake, but by your usage they are.
But I’m out, feel free to destroy me, I don’t want to waste time arguing with someone who thinks gatekeeping who gets to wear a dress is important.
Oddly I never stated my opinion one way or the other on the trans issue. I just used it as an example of having someone else’s will imposed on someone.
No by my usage, you can decide not to eat the chocolate cake. Cake isn’t a view.
Is it wrong for me to want to impose my will onto others and make them not rape kids?
Your straw man fails to account for something very simple. The rapists is imposing their will on the victim, stopping others from imposing their will on others is the line between anarchy
Just saying the name of a fallacy doesn’t make your moronic comment any less retarded
The only time it’s acceptable to impose your will on another is self-defense or community defense.